TSA WARNING: Commuters must be in Uniform

[Fred Rogers]

I fail to see how a figurehead is going to suddenly change the idiocy administration overnight, over even in a span of a few years. Vote 'em all out.

Oh.. it is SOO much more than one man. It's a whole culture of stupidity. From Bush, to John Q. Screener working the x-ray.

Support the Troops, fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here, they hate our freedom... oh christ, what other cheering slogan havn't they come up with that is totally useless. uke:

 

[John Pennekamp]

Oh.. it is SOO much more than one man. It's a whole culture of stupidity. From Bush, to John Q. Screener working the x-ray.

Support the Troops, fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here, they hate our freedom... oh christ, what other cheering slogan havn't they come up with that is totally useless. uke:

Read the book 1984 lately? If not, re-read it. It's all in there. We are living in an Orwelian society.

 

[VWDrvr21]

Oh.. it is SOO much more than one man. It's a whole culture of stupidity. From Bush, to John Q. Screener working the x-ray.

Support the Troops, fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here, they hate our freedom... oh christ, what other cheering slogan havn't they come up with that is totally useless. uke:

Ill bet your one of the people flying a flag on your car right after 911 calling for war but when it got tough you lost stomach. How quickly we forget!

 

[Inconceivable]

This week's Time quoted Christine Whitman, former head of the EPA, when asked about the agency intentionally giving false information to the public regarding the air quality and public health risks following 9/11:

"Well of course we said what we did. We couldn't let the terrorists win!

That is the answer for everything today.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Ill bet your one of the people flying a flag on your car right after 911 calling for war but when it got tough you lost stomach. How quickly we forget!

Nope, I'm a bleeding heart, Clinton loving liberal all the way. Right after 9/11 I said "why" rather than "they are just evil"

and to prove it I'm going to quote John Prine:

"Your Flag Decal Won't get you into heaven anymore, they're already overcrowded from your dirty little war."

We should ALL be saying

Please won't you be.. my neighbor.

Fred

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ill bet your one of the people flying a flag on your car right after 911 calling for war but when it got tough you lost stomach. How quickly we forget!

I know I wasn't.

The reason for going to was was questionable at best then, and it's blaringly stupid now.

Dubya says we have to "get the terrorists there before they reach our shores". All we did is scatter AlQuaida around the globe. This week's events in Britain are the proof that the war has done nothing but make them hate us that much more, and still willig & able to attack.

There will be another attack in the US, it's only a matter of time. The war has done nothing but make the government more powerful, and the defense contractors rich.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I know I wasn't.

The reason for going to was was questionable at best then, and it's blaringly stupid now.

Dubya says we have to "get the terrorists there before they reach our shores". All we did is scatter AlQuaida around the globe. This week's events in Britain are the proof that the war has done nothing but make them hate us that much more, and still willig & able to attack.

There will be another attack in the US, it's only a matter of time. The war has done nothing but make the government more powerful, and the defense contractors rich.

AMEN! Some of us have been saying it before it was fashonable to do so.

 

[VWDrvr21]

I respect both your opinions as I believe some of the real reasons we are there become secondary to governments and companies becoming rich. But do you really think CNN and Fox news can and has provided you all the facts? There is so much that goes on behind the scenes. They only know what the Gov will provide them and in many cases what the enemy provides. Do you really care or are you afraid that terrorist organizations "hate" us that much more? I mean 911 made it clear to me! Are we supposed to not respond? Dont you think attacks have been prevented? I dont think hiding or negotiating with the enemy will help. If the aviation industry were to be attacked tommorow and you find yourself furloughed, I wonder how your opinion would change.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I respect both your opinions as I believe some of the real reasons we are there become secondary to governments and companies becoming rich. But do you really think CNN and Fox news can and has provided you all the facts? There is so much that goes on behind the scenes. They only know what the Gov will provide them and in many cases what the enemy provides. Do you really care or are you afraid that terrorist organizations "hate" us that much more? I mean 911 made it clear to me! Are we supposed to not respond? Dont you think attacks have been prevented? I dont think hiding or negotiating with the enemy will help.

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?

Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.

If the aviation industry were to be attacked tommorow and you find yourself furloughed, I wonder how your opinion would change.

If furloughed tomorrow, my opinion would not change. In fact, I would be even more angry about the war, because it would be more proof that the Bush administration's anti-terrorism plan has failed again

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.

I know who it wasn't!!!!!!!!!

Try a little troubleshooting like you would on an aircraft. Rule out those that don't do it and you'll find your answer.

Yes, You are welcome for that 1st amendment right WE fought to protect for you. You just don't have the right to be heard.

Now, go back to France and Have a nice day.

Watermellon.

Dick

 

[John Pennekamp]

I know who it wasn't!!!!!!!!!

Try a little troubleshooting like you would on an aircraft. Rule out those that don't do it and you'll find your answer.

Yes, You are welcome for that 1st amendment right WE fought to protect for you. You just don't have the right to be heard.

Now, go back to France and Have a nice day.

Watermellon.

Dick

Hurling innuendo and insults only makes you look weak minded.

PS, you didn't answer my questions.

 

[NEDude]

I respect both your opinions as I believe some of the real reasons we are there become secondary to governments and companies becoming rich. But do you really think CNN and Fox news can and has provided you all the facts? There is so much that goes on behind the scenes. They only know what the Gov will provide them and in many cases what the enemy provides. Do you really care or are you afraid that terrorist organizations "hate" us that much more? I mean 911 made it clear to me! Are we supposed to not respond? Dont you think attacks have been prevented? I dont think hiding or negotiating with the enemy will help. If the aviation industry were to be attacked tommorow and you find yourself furloughed, I wonder how your opinion would change.

You'd think it was in this governments best interest to put the war in Iraq in as positive light as possible, and thus far it has not provided any encouraging news.

The Afghanistan war was totally justified IMHO. In fact I think it is a crime the way we have abandoned our efforts there, allowed Osama to continue on, and allowed a major resurgence of the taliban. The Taliban government provided training, resources and safe haven for those who were responsible for the worst attack in U.S. history. It would have been totally irresponsible to not go to war over there.

The Iraq war is a totally different story. It was planned and prepared for years before the September 11 attacks. It was totally a war about control of oil. Saddam threatened the oil in the early 90s and there were many who felt (incorrectly as it has turned out) that he still posed a threat to it and to U.S. interests in the region. The Iraq war has now turned into a war on terror because it turned out the reasons for the war were based on bad intelligence, and in some cases revenge. When it became clear Saddam had no WMDs, did not have active WMD program, the government had to deflect critisim by tying it into the war on terror in afghanistan. Now conviently the power struggle created by the absence of Saddam has given rise to many Al Quida (sp?) affiliated groups and that has made it easier to tie Iraq into the "war on terror". But make no mistake, the Iraq war at the beginning had nothing to do with terrorism. It was planned and prepared for years in advance, and it was about regime change and control of oil.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The Afghanistan war was totally justified IMHO. In fact I think it is a crime the way we have abandoned our efforts there, allowed Osama to continue on, and allowed a major resurgence of the taliban. The Taliban government provided training, resources and safe haven for those who were responsible for the worst attack in U.S. history. It would have been totally irresponsible to not go to war over there.

Agreed, 100%

The Iraq war is a totally different story. It was planned and prepared for years before the September 11 attacks. It was totally a war about control of oil. Saddam threatened the oil in the early 90s and there were many who felt (incorrectly as it has turned out) that he still posed a threat to it and to U.S. interests in the region. The Iraq war has now turned into a war on terror because it turned out the reasons for the war were based on bad intelligence, and in some cases revenge. When it became clear Saddam had no WMDs, did not have active WMD program, the government had to deflect critisim by tying it into the war on terror in afghanistan. Now conviently the power struggle created by the absence of Saddam has given rise to many Al Quida (sp?) affiliated groups and that has made it easier to tie Iraq into the "war on terror". But make no mistake, the Iraq war at the beginning had nothing to do with terrorism. It was planned and prepared for years in advance, and it was about regime change and control of oil.

Agreed, except that I don't think it was directly about oil. Oil is the one of the underlying motivator for all of the power struggles in the mideast (religion is the other), but the Iraq war was about power and revenge for Saddam threatening Dubya's daddy, and the desire of Cheney to finish what he started under Bush I. I believe that it wasn't faulty intelligence, but rather trumped up intelligence to justify a war that they have been planning since 1991.

Scooter Libby aint in jail for nothing.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Hurling innuendo and insults

OK, you sound like an intelligent guy. There wasn't any innuendo or insult in anything I said.

Now that you have tried to reorient what I said, try using a little common sense with all this.

Did Red headed Sweeds do this, did Japanese Kamakazi pilots do this.......there is a start.

Now, who is involved with the Glaskow incident. Keep answering the question with the thought you have been insulted. Being a victum suits you well.

Dick

 

[John Pennekamp]

OK, you sound like an intelligent guy. There wasn't any innuendo or insult in anything I said.

Now that you have tried to reorient what I said, try using a little common sense with all this.

Did Red headed Sweeds do this, did Japanese Kamakazi pilots do this.......there is a start.

Now, who is involved with the Glaskow incident. Keep answering the question with the thought you have been insulted. Being a victum suits you well.

Dick

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?

Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.

 

[VWDrvr21]

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?
Has it increased? Or are you just paying attention now? (1st world trade center bombing,Uss Cole,Lockerbee,etc)
Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.
The Enemy: STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY- Taliban, And yes Iraq. AS STATED IN THE PRESIDENTS SPEECH AFTER 911! Again how quickly we forget.


If furloughed tomorrow, my opinion would not change. In fact, I would be even more angry about the war, because it would be more proof that the Bush administration's anti-terrorism plan has failed again

So you are saying the plan has failed? Seems pretty succesful to me. Have we been attacked? Where is your "proof" the plan has failed?
What was your excuse when Clinton's abortion in Somalia and Haiti failed miserably? Oh thats right, we were on a humanitarian mission. Your just against the Bush admin wich is fine but this issue is not political, but rather the security of OUR country, dont you think?

 

[VWDrvr21]

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?

Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.


If furloughed tomorrow, my opinion would not change. In fact, I would be even more angry about the war, because it would be more proof that the Bush administration's anti-terrorism plan has failed again

The enemy? STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY-Taliban and yes Iraq. This was stated in the presidents speech right after 911. Again how quickly we forget.

 

[NEDude]

The enemy? STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY-Taliban and yes Iraq. This was stated in the presidents speech right after 911. Again how quickly we forget.

This may be where the biggest disagreement is. GWB and company are trying to play this as a war against states that sponsor terrorism. The real problem is that this is not state driven. This is an ideology that transcends national and ethnic background. Islamic terrorists come from many countries, including the USA. They have been black, white, middle-eastern, and asian.

I know it has been asked in more general terms, but I'll ask it more specifically, how do you identify an islamic terrorist? And what nation(s) do you go after?

 

[VWDrvr21]

This may be where the biggest disagreement is. GWB and company are trying to play this as a war against states that sponsor terrorism. The real problem is that this is not state driven. This is an ideology that transcends national and ethnic background. Islamic terrorists come from many countries, including the USA. They have been black, white, middle-eastern, and asian.

I know it has been asked in more general terms, but I'll ask it more specifically, how do you identify an islamic terrorist? And what nation(s) do you go after?

States that support, sponser, harbor and FUND terrorism. The CIA knows more than we do. Have some faith in your government. They have done a decent job so far in our 200 years of existance.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Talking about this issue is so lame when most people have not a clue about the real reasons. Thanks to the media and gullible public, people think they know the real reasons for the war. A war of revenge? Come on, it is not an eye for an eye. Their is a bigger strategy, both geo-political and economic, for the war(s). It is myopic to think otherwise.

Islam plays a significant part of the WOT, being that the terrorist use the religion as their credo for the practice of terrorism. Unfortunately, most Westerners' equate Islam with terrorism. Islam is a peaceful religion with open ended doctrine, which allows the extremist to twist the words in their favor and exploit its founding of uneducated participants. Islam as a whole is not the entity the West is fighting. Terrorism, supported by Islamic-based people, are its targets.

To the question regarding the increase/decrease in terror, post 9-11. I find that this question is in itself limited by the fact that 9-11 occurred and again myopic. I am confident that 9-11 and the West's WOT has inspired more terrorism in the world. Yet, I do not believe it has exasperated a world movement of terrorism as many would like to purport, I.E. the Jihad v. McWorld school of thought.

Terrorism has been on a steady rise after the end of the Cold War. Both the fall of the USSR and its satellite states allowed for the once subdued terrorist movements to grow and spread radical ideologies without the friction of government intervention. We are currently seeing these ideologies in new venues of the world as they seek to control, either through religion or cultural idiosyncrasies, the once stable territories.

During the Cold War, these ideologies were quelled by dictatorships who promoted strict oppression of the terrorist view points; this was seen as detracting from the single governance view point. At present, no one is around but the U.S. to instill control and single uniformity. The terrorist organizations have more incentive to fight for their belief as they see the West as being the antithesis of their value system. Independent of 9-11, the problem is that little governmental resistance in the lands inhabited by terrorist organizations promote terrorism.

It is the truth that the West does group people of Islam together as being terrorists. We do so only to aid in identifying our enemy. Without such a identification we would be killing indiscriminately, like the Mongals. The association of Islam and terror is sad, but their is no existing alternative to this. Can you think of one?