Trouble at Jetblue?

[cgmason1]

Am I reading that right......your calling your wife a "J-LO wannabe who loves Emb190 pilots"

She does....Hey now...sup senorita.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[V2+10]

I think a piont here that many people are missing is that assumptions are being made that the current 190 pay scale will be cast in stone forever. No guarantees, but based on JB's track record regarding pay, it's a pretty safe bet that upward adjustments could be made within the next couple of years.

An important, and often overlooked, point to remember is that the ability to obtain hard cost items such as favorable (affordable) financing terms, etc, is tied directly to the anticipated operating cost of the aircraft. Pilot wages are a key player of that overall equation. Given this fact, the total operating cost may be significantly lower down the road than it otherwise might have been had such favorable terms not been able to be obtained when the 190 program was first launched.

Having these long term potential cost saving measures in place, In my humble opinion, will give JB much more flexibility to adjust salaries upwards down the road. As another poster stated, it may be wiser to under-promise, thus giving the flexiblity to over-deliver in the future.

V2

 

[eprops]

do they really have a five year interview?

 

[Blue Dude]

do they really have a five year interview?

No. Myth.

 

[holdon]

Bus Drvr--We were just expressing our opinions. If it is not permissable to post questions about JB please let the moderators know so they can pull the posts.

In fact, the question about the long-term E190 pay issue comes straight from my conversations with my JB friends. They have the same concerns.

They refuse to ask the same questions in public lest the "blue shirts" come knocking at their doors in the middle of the night. TC

TC Did you just interview at B6?

 

[wndshr]

Ask the guys at SWA, UPS, AA you name it, what the average bottom feeder reservist flys? 110 is no where near reality (consistantly getting 110 hours of pay credit as a new hire is a short lived pipe dream). My point and AA717's is, sooner or later the hiring slows down and someone will be left sitting in the right seat ofthe ERJ, someone has to be the last one hired.

1st Month at SWA...127 trips for pay(TFP) at 43 per trip. Oh and I forgot, 19 of those were at 2nd year pay which is 73 per trip.

For March my reserve line is just like all the others at SWA. 16 days off and I get paid 90TFP. If I pick up anything extra on one of those 16 days off, it not only pays at 2nd year pay, but it goes on top of the 90...

You do the math...

why compare SWA to JB...

....lets see...how long has SWA been around? how long has JB been around? hmmmm...how many planes does SWA have? and JB? where were you braggin about SWA pay when the legacies were ruling the industry in pay and benefits. everybody has there turn at the top. first was UAL....then DAL got the big pay and SWA was way down the road behind ALK, U and the likes. now of course SWA will have a turn at the top, but just ask one of the guys at the top what it feels like to have it and then LOSE it! don't forget that SWA would have lost money for the first time in its history if it weren't for managements slick fuel hedging.

when JB is the size of 400 plus...then you can start the bitchin

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Fr8puppy,
It was a hell of a meeting when it happened except it was a done deal before we got there. Hit a tender spot? Our "management edict" so far has been pretty good. So my profit sharing wasn't as good as last year. How was yours?

Anyway... anybody can ask questions, it's just amazing how many solutions to non-exsistant problems. And if you ever go into any crew room and not hear complaining, it's problably empty.

 

[canyonblue]

don't forget that SWA would have lost money for the first time in its history if it weren't for managements slick fuel hedging.

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[SMMustang]

It's always fun to see this kind of thread. I really glad (sic) that there's so much concern about our pay and benefits when the folks expressing those concerns have taken such painful cuts in pay and benefits at their own carriers. I hope that these individuals have put just as much effort and concern at their own airlines as they have done with B6. Hopefully, they'll get the same or better results in their comments as they have done on these posts for B6. BTW, where were you folks when I was at Biz Ex making $18/hr. as a SF340 F/O and was told by the union (ALPA) that the bottom 1/3 of the senoirity list had to take a 25% pay cut in order so that the company could retain it's more senior Capts. Just curious.

Some of us are concerned with your company because we own part of your company. What happened to all the talk that JB was going to single handedly put all the legacy carriers out of business? Looking at myy stock it looks more like a legacy than anything else.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Some of us are concerned with your company because we own part of your company. What happened to all the talk that JB was going to single handedly put all the legacy carriers out of business? Looking at myy stock it looks more like a legacy than anything else.

Who said that? Some idiot on a mesage board? You bought into it? Who's the fool?

 

[SMMustang]

Who said that? Some idiot on a mesage board? You bought into it? Who's the fool?

At least I don't have all the worthless options. I bought the stock to hedge my legecy job, right now, I'm pretty happy about having my legacy job and not at JB.88

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

SMMustang,

I too have holdings in my company and I'm confident in my investment. It's also my retirement. If you've lost confidence in the stock, liquidate. I bet there's enough investors out there who won't have any problem buying your shares. As I recall, there's always a disclaimer attached to every stock offering I've ever read. Be patient. Other than that, life is pretty good here.

 

[AA717driver]

holdon--I passed on the offer of an interview. Had they called a year earlier, I would have jumped at the chance.

Blue Bus--If we quit talking about solutions to non-existant problems, this board would be as quiet as the halls of the UAL MX base at IND. TC

 

[B6Busdriver]

At least I don't have all the worthless options. I bought the stock to hedge my legecy job, right now, I'm pretty happy about having my legacy job and not at JB.88

Your reply is like "I'm rubber your glue............". I see that you spent time in the military, maybe you didn't realize airline stock rarely makes for a good investment. My legacy job went away like so many others, congrats to you for being fotunate enough to have the seniority that keeps you off the street. Oh by the way my options are above water but thanks for your concern.

 

[B6Busdriver]

What happened to all the talk that JB was going to single handedly put all the legacy carriers out of business?

On another note, why don't you back up your statement? Silly little boys acting like tough guys on a message board don't count either. Show me who said it and when. A few guys talking tough on a message board and there you go making broad statements.