Originally posted by eaglefly
YOU are MISTAKEN.
Eagle ALPA DOES have leverage.
G4G5
No, you are mistaken, you don't have leverage, otherwise you would have been invited to the table.
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We have CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS to the airframes and routes we CURRENTLY fly.
ANY transfer of these operations (current) MUST be in accordance with our Collective Bargaing Agreement (unless out MEC AND the pilot group agree to negotiated changes).
Our contract states clearly that any transfer of operations must include our contract which has a seniority list AND method of filling vacancies.
Neither the APA nor AMR can unilaterally abrogate these provisions in our CBA.
PERIOD.
G4G5
First off
Routes can be transfered. It happens all the time from Mainline to Eagle. Remember, that was the orignal purpose to have a regional carrier. To feed the mainline AND to build up routes for mainline. Routes can't be sold or transfered to another airline like Comair. AA mainline doesn't count.
Secondly
Do you think that AA wants more then 20 CRJ20's? Yes. Knowing this do yo think that they want an aircraft for the 90-120 pax market? Yes. Knowing this and knowing that the current AA Scope clause gives ALL flying above 75,000# to AA mainline, what do you think will happen to the 20 CRJ70's? I am waiting?
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There is also language regarding mergers with both ALPA and Non-ALPA carriers.
In a nutshell, if no agreement on seniority is reached it goes to arbitration in accordance with the ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK labor protective provisions (the most feared two words at the APA headquarters).
-Seniroity to be determined by a "fair and EQUITABLE manner".
-NO "system flush".
-NO transfer of operations UNTIL seniority has been agreed on.
G4G5
Wrong! Who do you think AMR is selling Eagle to? The APA? Both Eagle and AA mainline are strategic business units of the AMR corporation. AMR owns both Eagle and AA mainline. This is not AA purchasing TWA, nothing like it. This is AMR doing what it wants with it assets. Your argument only holds up if AMR sells Eagle to another airline, that's not happening. Their is no sale, so no Allegheny-Mohawak provisions apply.
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In any case this is NOT a "one list" proposal. In fact Eagle F/O's dont even GET a mainline seniority number until making "small jet" captain(many,many years)
It is a proposal that would allow APA to (attempt) gain control of ALL of Eagle's aircraft while at the same time offering a "flow-through" to mainline (only SOME of future mainline vacancies) and unilaterally disregarding our contractual rights.
Yes, the APA can ask for the world, but it can't be denied that their first inclination is a proposal that is heinously one-sided and attempts to screw the pilots at Eagle.
G4G5
Please be VERY specific on how you are going to get screwed. Use facts. Who other then the APA even has for a flow through, not, DAL, UAL, CAL, or NWA. Humm, and this proposal could even make it better.......
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The bottom line is that unless the Eagle MEC and the pilots agree, APA will never be succesful in strongarming our current planes and routes.
We are not TWA. We are not in bankruptsy and there is no legal "end run" around our contract a'la TWA.
However, I believe it is all mute. AMR's response on JAN 6, will be a litany of reasons why it is not economically feasible. In fact, Carty will need to cut mainline costs close to United to be competitive. UAL pilots are staring a 29% pay-cut or else scenario.
G4G5
Really and you think that the APA will be giving back any money when the Delta pilots are the highest paid? It will be EXTREMLY difficult for Carty to come to the AA pilots and ask for wage concessions when he already has a 20% advantage over Delta. Oh yeah we also make less then NWA too. So unless you are bankrupt, you make more then us. PS we have been operating without a contract or a raise for a year and a half.
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What this proposal DOES do is show that the APA WILL screw the Eagle pilots as a matter of preferable choice.
How unfortunate (and ultimately unsuccessful).
G4G5
I don't see how you are getting screwed but maybe you can tell us. Please keep in mind two simple facts.
One:
Carty has been very clear that he WILL NOT furlough 1000 Eagle pilots in order to recall AA mainline pilots to do the same job.
Two:
The APA has this little thing called Scope. We get anything above 75,000#'s, CRJ90's or the entire ERJ 170/195 fleet. The reason why you are not at the table is because you don't have anything that resembles a scope clause in your contract.
Oh by the way how were you planning on getting a pay raise, (upto Comair) with your contract(when's it come up)? Or eliminate reverse code sharing and get back the STL feed? Or stop the sale of Executive? Or get the company to buy any more CRJ70's(ASM's)?
I'm waiting..............
Knowing Fact one and two to be true. How do the AA mainline pilots benefit from this?