"Traffic in sight"

[LarryinTN]

By the way, the AIM is badly in need of a re-write in many areas.

That ought to take up your free time for the next weekend, or two...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey Mach-
Would you like to explain this to the families of the victims of the GOL 737 midair? Sorry if you had to wait a second to ask if you could "get direct somewhere down the line".

 

[Oh-ryan]

I see your point. My biggest gripe is when pilots, after receiving a traffic call looks in that direction until the traffic is in sight. Now that ATC pointed out traffic we know that the traffic is there somewhere. What we should do is look in all other places and try to locate unknown traffic.

Huh?
Use a little CRM will ya. One set of eyes can look for the ATC traffic and the other can look for the unknowns you suggest. ATC is telling you about that traffic for a reason. How bout getting a visual on the guy so that you can determine IF he will be a problem at some point.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Is that you Doug McCain.... trying to avoid the issue....???

Seriously.... the only two replies are....
1. Negative contact
or
2. Traffic Insight
These are not accpetable

1. lookin'
2. got 'em on the fishfinder/TCAS
3. Tally Ho
4. switchin' to guns
5. are you going to eat that?

Traffic can be insightful.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I see your point. My biggest gripe is when pilots, after receiving a traffic call looks in that direction until the traffic is in sight. Now that ATC pointed out traffic we know that the traffic is there somewhere. What we should do is look in all other places and try to locate unknown traffic.

That's your biggest gripe, eh? Pretty lucky to have had such a placid career.

And there's this new thing called TCAS. All the kids at the malt shop are talking about it. Bichin!

 

[brokeflyer]

When a controller pints out traffic during cruise at the flight levels, he/she is only doing it simply so you won't be startled seeing another aircraft coming at you. After acknowledging the call, it is NOT necessary nor required to make another call to center to report the traffic "in sight". The controller really doesn't care too much.

Yesterday there were two blocked transmissions because pilots unecessarily called back to report "traffic in sight". An AA flight bugged INDY center TWICE to let the controller know the traffic was in sight....the second time with great irritation in his voice because he wasn't responded to on the first transmission when it was quite clear the controller was doing some coordination.

instead of posting this here, cause none of us really give a $hit, I think you should track that AA pilot down and give him some dual cause you're so frickin good.....

pathetic aint it?

 

[Mach 80]

bringupthebird,

>>>>Would you like to explain this to the families of the victims of the GOL 737 midair?<<<

As far as I recall, no traffic alert was given to either airplane so your point is totally moot, but even if one was given, I would assume pilots would take a look out the window just as I do when a traffic alert is given (I never said don't bother looking!). If a conflict was clearly there, rest asured I would have more than a "thank you" response to the controller as would these pilots I think. This case also has something to do with loss of radar contact on one of the airplanes and for some reason, no TCAS warning.

 

[j32wreck]

Ace,
Traffic alerts mean bad things are about to happen. Traffic advisories are just to point out traffic.

 

[say again]

If a conflict was clearly there, rest asured I would have more than a "thank you" response to the controller as would these pilots I think.

So you are going to clutter up the frequency w/ unnecessary chat?? A little hypocritical, don't ya think?!?! You're a piece of work.

 

[Mach 80]

say again,

It's not "unnecessary chat" if there's about to be a midair collision. DON'T YA THINK?

 

[TheInsider]

That's your biggest gripe, eh? Pretty lucky to have had such a placid career.

And there's this new thing called TCAS. All the kids at the malt shop are talking about it. Bichin!

You missed my point: biggest gripe in regards to this particular issue: traffic reported by ATC. I have done plenty of 440's from the observers seat and many pilots do this: stare in the direction of the traffic as pointed out by ATC, all while forgetting to look in all the other places.

 

[TheInsider]

Huh?
Use a little CRM will ya. One set of eyes can look for the ATC traffic and the other can look for the unknowns you suggest. ATC is telling you about that traffic for a reason. How bout getting a visual on the guy so that you can determine IF he will be a problem at some point.

See my post above.

 

[say again]

say again,

It's not "unnecessary chat" if there's about to be a midair collision. DON'T YA THINK?

How is thanking them necessary to the safety of flight? It's not, hence the unnecessary chatter. My point being is how ridiculous you sound by starting these asinine threads. Traffic insight, or not in sight are the only required responses, not a "thank you" or whatever else you would've said to them. You b!tch and moan that others take up "valuable" frequency time, when in fact, you just stated you would do the exact same thing- hypocrite!!!! Practice what you preach or STFU.:beer: Actually, just STFU anyways, nobody cares.

 

[spitfire1500]

When a controller pints out traffic during cruise at the flight levels, he/she is only doing it simply so you won't be startled seeing another aircraft coming at you. After acknowledging the call, it is NOT necessary nor required to make another call to center to report the traffic "in sight". The controller really doesn't care too much.

Yesterday there were two blocked transmissions because pilots unecessarily called back to report "traffic in sight". An AA flight bugged INDY center TWICE to let the controller know the traffic was in sight....the second time with great irritation in his voice because he wasn't responded to on the first transmission when it was quite clear the controller was doing some coordination.

If I dont see the other aircraft I like hearing them say "Traffic in sight" at least this way I know there is at least vis separation,especially with RVSM and in Europe (remember clear day and two freighters collide).

 

[Hamburger]

After acknowledging the call, it is NOT necessary nor required to make another call to center to report the traffic "in sight".

It is also NOT necessary for you to come here and lay your radio philosophy on us.

Loser.

I never used to say "with you." I have since started hoping that you'd be listening and get your panties twisted.

Make sure not to use any of your precious radio time to tell us we are doing it wrong. That would make you quite the hypocrite.

 

[Oh-ryan]

It is also NOT necessary for you to come here and lay your radio philosophy on us.

Loser.

I never used to say "with you." I have since started hoping that you'd be listening and get your panties twisted.

Make sure not to use any of your precious radio time to tell us we are doing it wrong. That would make you quite the hypocrite.

I am gonna have to agree with Mach 80 on this one. You are wasting valuable radio time using "With you". All radio comms should be initiated with the much shorter, one word, "Aaaaannnnnnnd".

 

[Dornier 335]

From now on I'll make sure that I reply "traffic in sight" as many times as possible to ensure that I block and waste as much time on the frequency as possible ...

Btw anyone mind posting the reference to this claim?

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[critterair2]

someone better get mach 80 a tampon