Tough Choice--SWA or UPS?

[brownie]

i hate to tell u this , but u have been miss informed or basicaly been B.Sed by your so called friends.
Nobody has the ba...s to come in new hire class and say sh..t like that , i don't care how big of a wig they f...ing are.

 

[semperfido]

I've heard from a couple of UPS guys that the attitude there by management isn't very pilot friendly.

One guy described a bigwig coming into newhire class and telling the pilots to check their egos at the door because as far as UPS was concerned the guys who are really important to them are the guys driving the trucks and meeting the customers. He said if they had it their way the pilots would make the same as the truck drivers. If and when a nasty negotiation meltdown occurs, freight pilots are a whole lot easier to replace with foreigners or scabs than passenger pilots are.

Given those two choices, I would take SWA in a gnat's heartbeat. They are the cockroaches of airlines. They will be flying ugly painted aircraft a million years from now.

I would be willing to bet that there are more former UPS and FEdEx guys at SWA than the other way around. The job is important but family life is more important and the lifestyle at SWA is way more family friendly.

u r nuts

 

[Flechas]

What the He!! would you know about the "lifestyle" of a UPS pilot.

What the he!! woud you know about what I know?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

You guys sound like Lauer and Cruise.

 

[hoya saxa]

Days Days Days. Don't die before your time, been there done it.

Are you posting from beyond the grave?!! Yer freakin' me out man!

 

[TonyC]

..., freight pilots are a whole lot easier to replace with foreigners or scabs than passenger pilots are.

I've got a life-size picture of the Teamsters turning a wheel when UPS tries to fly their airplanes with scabs.











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[WillowRunVortex]

"I've got a life-size picture of the Teamsters turning a wheel when UPS tries to fly their airplanes with scabs"


They already did it in 97 or 98. I remember all the charter guys praying that they wouldnt get called to go to UPS, because the Teamsters had wrongly put out a statement that chartered airplane pilots would be considered scabs. What a load of crap that was.

 

[TonyC]

"I've got a life-size picture of the Teamsters turning a wheel when UPS tries to fly their airplanes with scabs"


They already did it in 97 or 98. I remember all the charter guys praying that they wouldnt get called to go to UPS, because the Teamsters had wrongly put out a statement that chartered airplane pilots would be considered scabs. What a load of crap that was.

Fall of '97, Teamsters struck. Only a handful of airplanes moved during that three weeks, and they were flown by management pilots. Pilots who flew struck work are scabs.

As I said, no Teamster turned a wheel.


If the IPA strikes, Teamsters will support it. Period.





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[WillowRunVortex]

Fall of '97, Teamsters struck. Only a handful of airplanes moved during that three weeks, and they were flown by management pilots. Pilots who flew struck work are scabs.

As I said, no Teamster turned a wheel.


If the IPA strikes, Teamsters will support it. Period.





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Pilots of chartered aircraft who flew for UPS then were not scabs. Would the Teamsters have paid their salaries when they would have been fired by their company for refusing a trip?

 

[TonyC]

Pilots of chartered aircraft who flew for UPS then were not scabs. Would the Teamsters have paid their salaries when they would have been fired by their company for refusing a trip?

I don't know what your purpose is in bragging that contract pilots flew UPS freight during the Teamsters strike of '97, unless you were one of them. Since there were no Teamsters driving UPS trucks to deliver UPS freight, any charters would have been irrelevant anyway.


Please read my original statement, evaluate its meaning, and then determine if you have any argument with it.


Simplified, and for your review:


If and when IPA strikes, UPS Teamsters will not turn a wheel.






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[WillowRunVortex]

I don't know what your purpose is in bragging that contract pilots flew UPS freight during the Teamsters strike of '97, unless you were one of them. Since there were no Teamsters driving UPS trucks to deliver UPS freight, any charters would have been irrelevant anyway.


Please read my original statement, evaluate its meaning, and then determine if you have any argument with it.


Simplified, and for your review:


If and when IPA strikes, UPS Teamsters will not turn a wheel.






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My point is, If and when IPA strikes, there will be alot of younger charter guys who will be assigned to fly trips for UPS. There choice will be to refuse the trip and get fired or be wrongly acused of being a scab, and told about future ramifications to their career's. Which, I dont think is fair in anybody's book, and a load of B.S.

 

[410dude]

My point is, If and when IPA strikes, there will be alot of younger charter guys who will be assigned to fly trips for UPS. There choice will be to refuse the trip and get fired or be wrongly acused of being a scab, and told about future ramifications to their career's. Which, I dont think is fair in anybody's book, and a load of B.S.

Sounds like you are chomping at the bit to go fly struck UPS work if they strike. And yes you would be a scab if you fly UPS struck work. Maybe you are trying to make points with UPS management in hopes that they will hire you as a manager someday. I for one, want to make it a major the proper way. You can do whatever you like.

 

[enigma]

My point is, If and when IPA strikes, there will be alot of younger charter guys who will be assigned to fly trips for UPS. There choice will be to refuse the trip and get fired or be wrongly acused of being a scab, and told about future ramifications to their career's. Which, I dont think is fair in anybody's book, and a load of B.S.

I think that Tonys trying to say that there won't be a need for any young charter guys if IPA strikes because the trucks won't be running. No trucks, no boxes, therefore no airplanes.

enigma

 

[Below Mins]

My point is, If and when IPA strikes, there will be alot of younger charter guys who will be assigned to fly trips for UPS. There choice will be to refuse the trip and get fired or be wrongly acused of being a scab

You said it yourself -- they do have a choice. Maintain your integrity or SCAB, seems simple to me.

Moving struck goods = SCAB! Nothing "wrong" about that accusation as you seem to imply.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

You said it yourself -- they do have a choice. Maintain your integrity or SCAB, seems simple to me.

Moving struck goods = SCAB! Nothing "wrong" about that accusation as you seem to imply.

Are you kidding me? These pilots wont have union protection like the UPS pilots. They simply should walk away from their jobs so that the UPS pilots can squable over the difference from 13.7 million in a career and 14 million? Smoke some more CRACK DUDE