To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[Mr.B]

Can a little copilot make that decision?

Oh yeah. This little one can.

Want a war... you got it.

 

[screech]

Oh yeah. This little one can.

Want a war... you got it.

Sigh....And my Dad can beat up your Dad. Get over yourself.

 

[McNugget]

Wow, while you all fight over it, the owner of pro pilot world wrote a letter to his friends on the MEC to help get the situation resolved. Way to go, UAL78!

 

[Poahi]

Wow, while you all fight over it, the owner of pro pilot world wrote a letter to his friends on the MEC to help get the situation resolved. Way to go, UAL78!

Awesome. That used to be the way pilots handled disputes.

I'm totally embarrased over the way this is being waged. Lots of damage has already been done. There should be more coming out on this today or tomorrow.

 

[skypine69]

perfect...then it is working. do you really think that the JS committees at the various UAX did not think to simply ask? I cant tell you how many times they have requested this be changed. it became apparent that they would not listen to the UAX pilots, so hopefully they will listen to UAL pilots. time will tell.

 

[Poahi]

perfect...then it is working. do you really think that the JS committees at the various UAX did not think to simply ask? I cant tell you how many times they have requested this be changed. it became apparent that they would not listen to the UAX pilots, so hopefully they will listen to UAL pilots. time will tell.

Mark doesn't like Frank. So Mark punches Joe in the face. Joe punches Mark back, puts him in the hospital for a month and Frank doesn't know anything about it.

I think I'm going to write a nursery rhyme about it, sing it to my kids so they can learn how to handle conflict like Mom and Dad do.

 

[imacdog]

Oh yeah. This little one can.

Want a war... you got it.

Well you can't deny me, I ride on a ticket. Maybe you should worry more about the solvency of your company than trying to continue to disregard the agreement your union made with other pilot unions?

 

[imacdog]

Mark doesn't like Frank. So Mark punches Joe in the face. Joe punches Mark back, puts him in the hospital for a month and Frank doesn't know anything about it.

I think I'm going to write a nursery rhyme about it, sing it to my kids so they can learn how to handle conflict better.

That made no sense. If the UAL MEC were to honor the agreement they made, it wouldn't be coming to this, would it?

 

[BigLebowski]

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

Thanks for clarifying...because I've always admired the senior guys and love to hear their stories; but for about 10 minutes you had me thinking differently.

 

[Poahi]

That made no sense.

On this much we agree.

 

[BigLebowski]

For the record...as a Captain at SkyW...and I speak for many of my colleagues here; nobody from United will be denied a jumpseat.

However I would appreciate it if the "down-talking" of us RJ guys would stop. We did not destroy the industry as many of you like to tell us we did. We're all a product of our own environment.

 

[Fly2AK]

To me this sounds like an issue for the techies at UAL management. The UAL pilots don't write the software and to threaten the UAL commuters does nothing but create problems. You should be working with the UAL ALPA jumpseat chairman about this and if the pilot groups of the UAX carriers would utilize their own jumpseat guy then with time it can be respectfully resolved. Should the UAX pilots decide to start a jumpseat war then no one wins. You deny UAL pilots, then we deny UAX pilots. I was an express pilot and ran into this same scenario the UAX pilots are tallking about but on US Airways property, the simple fix was to show the date agent my FOM that showed are actual priority. Besides, why are you talking to the captain of the flight in question. However, I will pass this info on to other UAL pilots and allow them to formulate there own actions.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You should be working with the UAL ALPA jumpseat chairman about this and if the pilot groups of the UAX carriers would utilize their own jumpseat guy then with time it can be respectfully resolved.

They've been doing that for 2 years....How long would you have them continue to watch that dog not hunt...?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I got an idea...

How about you UAX Capt's grow a PAIR and check the gate area for jumpseaters? YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN CORRECT?

UAL MEC has responded.

 

[imacdog]

Why not just fix the glitch Sonny?

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about you UAX Capt's grow a PAIR and check the gate area for jumpseaters? YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN CORRECT?

As opposed to FIXING the problem? Sounds like they did grow a PAIR....and it is pissing you off......:uzi:

 

[Fly2AK]

Who says the UAL pilots haven't done anything or haven't tried to get the company to fix the problem? The pilots don't write the software. This is a UAL managment issue, we cn only bring the issue up with management. If the UAX pilots want to deny the UAL pilots on their jumpseat, then you might as well terminate any sort of jumpseat agreement. If you know this is a problem then maybe the capt or F/O can leave the cockpit and go up to the gate and make sure the jumpseat priority is done correctly, I did it when I was at express and knew the gate agents routinely screwed JS and non revs over. Do what you need to do though.

 

[Poahi]

Who says the UAL pilots haven't done anything or haven't tried to get the company to fix the problem?...

Fly2AK,

You haven't heard anything about the UAL MEC insisting on having J/S priority on UAX flights have you?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

As opposed to FIXING the problem? Sounds like they did grow a PAIR....and it is pissing you off......:uzi:

Dude,

Grow up, use some common sense.

 

[Fly2AK]

Fly2AK,

You haven't heard anything about the UAL MEC insisting on having J/S priority on UAX flights have you?

This is a company issue, what do the UAL pilots have to do about this glitch, did we create it? Do you expect us to go on strike or start a work action because the priority in the computer isn't correct. Take some responsibility on your own and check the gate area for jumpseaters, besides the UAL guy on a UAX flight shouldn't be taking a UAX JS from one of there (UAX) own pilots if they know the UAX guy is there. That doesn't mean a go jets guy has priority on a skywest guy. The UAL guy needs to know which carrier operates the flt and whether or not one of that carriers guys is there waiting, take it up with the gate agent. I HAVE BEEN THERE AND WAS ABLE TO RESOLVE IT ON MY OWN AT THE GATE. I don't understand why this is so hard for you guys to do that. Call your dispatch for crying out loud. Starting a jumpseat war will only piss people off.

 

[Fly2AK]

Blocking the jumpseat will only hurt pilots on both sides of the fence, probably UAX pilots more. Most express flights become weight restricted anyhow during bad weather, so are the UAX pilots going to force their management to make the jumpseat part of the BOW? A lot of jumpseaters are left behind on a express flight due to weight, how often does that happen on a mainline flight? extremely rare. I commuted for 6 years and never had a problem with a mainline flight but when it came to express I have been left behind for weight. Should the UAL pilots ban UAX pilots from the JS anytime when there is weather and we are carrying an alternate?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I am afraid that the UAX "kids" are too busy jamming to the tunes on the IPOD.

I feel sorry for the PROFESSIONAL UAX pilots who can see that the letter was really in bad taste.

 

[Poahi]

This is a company issue, what do the UAL pilots have to do about this glitch, did we create it?.

I'm on your side here. I was asking because some of the UAX folks claim that's what the UAL pilots wanted. It was a simple question. I'll take it as a no.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I'm on your side here. I was asking because some of the UAX folks claim that's what the UAL pilots wanted. It was a simple question. I'll take it as a no.

UAL pilots didn't vote on this, or want to have priority on UAX over other UAX pilots. Our gate agents at UAL....plain SUCK! however we at UAL get around this by being PROACTIVE and making sure WE DEAL with the jumpseat not the GATE AGENTS. I have helped MANY UAX guys get on the J/S to get in and out of Hawaii...and sometimes I had to get CREATIVE!

 

[skyslug]

I commute and have been bumped off the JS twice on Skywest by...*gasp*...a SKYWEST pilot! This was recent (within the last 3 months).

Plus I would fully expect to get bumped off a UAX flight by their own pilots. And if that were not bad enough IF for some reason I ended up bumping a UAX pilot off their own flight and I knew it was happening... I'd willingly volunteer the js to the UAX pilot!!

Each airline's respective pilots should always have priority. I can't think of another UAL person who feels differently.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For the record...as a Captain at SkyW...and I speak for many of my colleagues here; nobody from United will be denied a jumpseat.

However I would appreciate it if the "down-talking" of us RJ guys would stop. We did not destroy the industry as many of you like to tell us we did. We're all a product of our own environment.

Guess you don't commute.
PBR

 

[Poahi]

UAL pilots didn't vote on this, or want to have priority on UAX over other UAX pilots. !

I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. I'm working with as many as I can to make sure we police this thing so no UAL pilot misses a flight. Clearly our leadership is out of step with the majority.

I dont' know what happened with this whole thing except that there is serious dissent within our own leadership over this.

 

[skyslug]

I commute and have been bumped off the JS twice on Skywest by...*gasp*...a SKYWEST pilot! This was recent (within the last 3 months).

Plus I would fully expect to get bumped off a UAX flight by their own pilots. And if that were not bad enough IF for some reason I ended up bumping a UAX pilot off their own flight and I knew it was happening... I'd willingly volunteer the js to the UAX pilot!!

Each airline's respective pilots should always have priority. I can't think of another UAL person who feels differently.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For the record...as a Captain at SkyW...and I speak for many of my colleagues here; nobody from United will be denied a jumpseat.

However I would appreciate it if the "down-talking" of us RJ guys would stop. We did not destroy the industry as many of you like to tell us we did. We're all a product of our own environment.

Guess you don't commute.
PBR

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. I'm working with as many as I can to make sure we police this thing so no UAL pilot misses a flight. Clearly our leadership is out of step with the majority.

I dont' know what happened with this whole thing except that there is serious dissent within our own leadership over this.

No worries, I am sure it will work out in the end. The story will become PUBLIC and the guys reponsible for this GARBAGE will more then likely NEVER get a J/S on UAL again. (the guys who dreamed up the letter and the THREAT)

We (UAL GUYS) know that not all the UAX bubba's support this attitude.