Tale from Go Jet jumpseat!

[h25b]

doctors wont undercut each others wages and work rules to work in a shiny new hospital like *************************s pilots do.

Actually having many family members in the medical profession I beg to differ. However, the insurance companies do it for them. When one medical group's rates get too high the insurance companies start altering the networks, changing the formularies, etc...

So what's your point ??? Do you really think the "shiny new" syndrome is characteristic of only one group of pilots ? How about the Comair concessions for jets ? (that really worked out great)

 

[panamclipper]

Looking in from the outside it sounds like the company will not stand up for any unauthorized "union" activities.

Isn't this disagreement up to your union and isn't it in front of the NMB?

Shouldn't these matters be worked through the proper channels?

I just don't understand why the TSA pilots persist in putting their own jobs and career in jeopardy.

If you are so angry that you want to persist in harrassment and take matters into your own hands then I guess you must suffer the consequences.

But that is just me, I would like to keep my job until I can get out of the regionals. The regionals for me are not a "career" but a job. It is a stepping stone to the next level.

Also;

Didn't the TSA pilots have a deal with the company to merge the lists?

 

[Victor Meldrew]

I just don't understand why the TSA pilots persist in putting their own jobs and career in jeopardy.

TSA pilots aren't doing it themselves it's being forced on them!

If someone kicks you in the nads are you going to stand there and say "thank you sir may I have another"??

 

[panamclipper]

Nobody kicked me in the nads..


If you want to act on your own then -

Well then take matters into your own hands and get FIRED...!!!

What are you going to tell your next employer?

I got fired for (put answer here) ...... Good luck!!!

Isn't your UNION supposed to do the fighting for you???..!!!!

 

[Tarzan]

Also;

Didn't the TSA pilots have a deal with the company to merge the lists?

I really don't understand this sort of comment. Every last one here has at some time said we have to stop this slide that we are on at the regional airline level. I am sure you have made a comment of somethng to that effect before also.

Yes, there was a proposal from the company to merge the list. But...... 1.5% per yer (not even close to inflation), four year extention (deading home space avail but they'll put you there positive space), furlough protection for GJ pilots, and restrictions on how often you can bid over to GJ.

Pretty much a raw deal and the pilot group took a stand and voted it down. One of the few groups out there that have taken a stand when mangement has attempted to get by with a fast one and you guys out there, slam the TSA pilot group for it.

I don't hate those guys but I am not going to be friendly with them. They had to do what they to but that still doesn't excuse whats happening. Pilot groups are getting screwed left and right and these fellas are assisting in the screwing. If they had no idea when the hired on, thats one thing but the guys that knew it and left TSA anyhow.... I have to question their motives.

 

[Shrek]

Remember to the company......we are NOT co-workers but seperate companies.

Yeah......of course we are.......

 

[redbook]

Actually having many family members in the medical profession I beg to differ. However, the insurance companies do it for them. When one medical group's rates get too high the insurance companies start altering the networks, changing the formularies, etc...

So what's your point ??? Do you really think the "shiny new" syndrome is characteristic of only one group of pilots ? How about the Comair concessions for jets ? (that really worked out great)

You post like the g0jet scum you defend. WHo is talking about Comair? Bring in any other issue except the relevant one. But hey what would expect from a guy who said he would undercut his fellow pilots in a previous post a few days ago. Stop lecturing so much, Mr. "formularies"

You are so spineless, no wonder you would gladly work at g0jet.

 

[TSA145]

Just curious as to what other professions you believe would allow employees to act like children or verbally insult other co-workers without it resulting in termination ? None that I can think of, at least not in today's politically correct world. Especially in a profession that transports the general public at 35,000 ft. How would you like your surgeons arguing with each other while getting ready to slice you open ???

Let me see if I understand you correctly:
If your F/O tells you on a private conversation at work that such and such (from a different company who has stabbed you in the back) is in a-hole, then you turn around and ask your boss to fire him because of that?????

 

[h25b]

Let me see if I understand you correctly:
If your F/O tells you on a private conversation at work that such and such (from a different company who has stabbed you in the back) is in a-hole, then you turn around and ask your boss to fire him because of that?????

Do whatever you want, I'm just saying that it is not all that uncommon to get your a$$ fired for just being a jerk. I understand this is a difficult concept to grasp for an average union goon. Like the other guy said, it's typically smarter to just let your MEC fight your battles.

But hey what would expect from a guy who said he would undercut his fellow pilots in a previous post a few days ago. Stop lecturing so much, Mr. "formularies"

You are so spineless, no wonder you would gladly work at g0jet.

I knew you'd be here soon to save the day...

 

[incubus]

stop comparing us to doctors. we ain't doctors. when will this get across to some of you?

 

[h25b]

I was merely making the point that union pilots have this incredibly naive notion that they are somehow immune to the expectations of your typical workplace. I don't care where you work, but if you decide to start being a jerk to fellow workers or anyone else for that matter you can reasonably expect to be shown the door.

 

[BoilerUP]

Do whatever you want, I'm just saying that it is not all that uncommon to get your a$$ fired for just being a jerk. I understand this is a difficult concept to grasp for an average union goon. Like the other guy said, it's typically smarter to just let your MEC fight your battles.

Why the farkin' arrogant, conceited attitude? It must be really wonderful high up there, having never called somebody else you've worked with an a**hole. The pilot is letting his MEC fight his battles. He made an offhand comment about somebody who is negatively affecting his pay and QOL (that he thought was made in confidence) and could be terminated because of that? When did people grow manginas and quit speaking up when they were offended? Why tattle on a coworker???

It must be nice not to have to lower yourself into the slum of organized labor.

 

[h25b]

Why the farkin' arrogant, conceited attitude? It must be really wonderful high up there, having never called somebody else you've worked with an a**hole. The pilot is letting his MEC fight his battles. He made an offhand comment about somebody who is negatively affecting his pay and QOL (that he thought was made in confidence) and could be terminated because of that? When did people grow manginas and quit speaking up when they were offended? Why tattle on a coworker???

It must be nice not to have to lower yourself into the slum of organized labor.

To the casual observer, it probably could be misunderstood as a "slum." Please fill me in on exactly what I said that was incorrect... Not what you disagree with, but exactly what I said that is factually incorrect.

As far as I can tell, we have a super hypocrite starting a thread that: (1) made up this entire BS story, (2) doesn't mind putting himself in to a supposed unsafe environment, & (3) doesn't mind putting his personal diifferences aside for a free ride home... NICE...

 

[BoilerUP]

To the casual observer, it probably could be misunderstood as a "slum." Please fill me in on exactly what I said that was incorrect... Not what you disagree with, but exactly what I said that is factually incorrect.

What you said wasn't factually incorrect. If you are stupid as an employee, you can get fired for that. Whether or not its ethical or practical for somebody to tattle on you like an 8 year old for a petty insult toward a third party (especially when something like Pro Standards exists) is an entirely different discussion.

The matter in which you made your statement, specifically this line, is what I had a problem with.

I understand this is a difficult concept to grasp for an average union goon.

I don't understand why you would insult TSA145 as being a "union goon". What good does that accomplish, and what does it add to the discussion? NOTHING. It makes you come off as a holier-than-thou corporate prick that holds your non-union position above those who are organized. Perhaps thats just my reaction and I could be wrong.

Would YOU report one of YOUR coworkers to your management and have them terminated if they simply called a third coworker an a**hole?

 

[h25b]

It makes you come off as a holier-than-thou corporate prick that holds your non-union position above those who are organized. Perhaps thats just my reaction and I could be wrong.

Would YOU report one of YOUR coworkers to your management and have them terminated if they simply called a third coworker an a**hole?

Actually your reaction is wrong. I just think you'd all be doing yourself a favor by toning it down a notch.

Would I terminate an employee that was a real pain in the arse and turning the workplace in to a battleground ? You bet. And I'd guess that's where TSA management is going with this. But that's how it works in my world. You guys have your way of doing things, we have ours. If that's how you'd like to do business plan on staying with the airlines.

I can't figure out how you guys can't see that what you are doing will get you nowhere. Yes, denying a jumpseat may yield a certain personal satisfaction but it obviously may get you shown the door and will take your cause nowhere.

Like I said...

As far as I can tell, we have a super hypocrite starting a thread that: (1) made up this entire BS story, (2) doesn't mind putting himself in to a supposed unsafe environment, & (3) doesn't mind putting his personal diifferences aside for a free ride home... NICE...

Keep up the jumpseat war, it's worked so well in the past...