Take a vote go or stay!

[350DRIVER]

I hear ya. I feel the past 6 months though in the 200, have made me a better pilot. There is two groups out there. Ones who think that sole-manipulator time is credible and ones who wouldn't touch it. I see where both are coming from, but it is legal and sometimes a guy doesn't have many breaks so he takes whatever multi-time he can get.

IMHO, that sole manipulator PIC time seems iffy at best.

Nothing "iffy" about it nor will it come back to haunt you. It is a no-brainer that the time that you are flying the aircraft in the 200 that you should indeed be logging this as PIC time. You are only cheating yourself should you decide otherwise but do as you wish.

As for the 350, speak to the company and see if you are able to use the other company to get the type at a fraction of the cost of going to a FSI/Simcom.

 

[semperfido]

The 350 is certified for single pilot ops. It might have been that the company you work for requires a 2 pilot crew.

it is, but you need the "no sic req'd" endorsement on your rating to fly single pilot. many companies that operate always with two pilots may not require that endorsement. (the checkride just requires you do do it all yourself and it is just too much effort for many to bother with it)

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

OK, so no type required on the 200. You don't need the high altitude endorsement to log PIC as Corona mentioned. That is only for acting as PIC. You're not acting. But I wouldn't touch that PIC for the 350 w/o the type.

Mr. I.

 

[F16fixer]

I just found a good answer that I was looking for under FAR part 23. It states that if you have over 9 seats in the plane it requires an SIC. A 350 with 9 or less is available for the one pilot type.

Thanks for all the help again everybody.

 

[A Squared]

I just found a good answer that I was looking for under FAR part 23. It states that if you have over 9 seats in the plane it requires an SIC. A 350 with 9 or less is available for the one pilot type.

Where in Part 23 does it specify that?

 

[ackattacker]

Where in Part 23 does it specify that?

F16Fixer is absolutely correct... if the King Air 350 has more then 9 passenger seats then it requires 2 pilots (regardless of the number of actual passengers).

This is actually much, much better than your King Air 200 time. Despite what some other poster said, you should absolutely never log any SIC time in a 200. Please please don't do it. I have seen people kicked out of airline interviews for it. Only log the sole manipulator PIC time.

SIC time in an 11 seat 350 is however perfectly legit.

To answer A Squared:

The requirement for 2 crewmembers is not actually in Part 23. Part 23 does however specify the workload requirements on each crewmember that must be considered for certifying commuter category aircraft. Advisory Circular 23.1523 then spells out in more depth the certification program requirements for determining minimum flight crew.

Apparently, when the aircraft was certified, 2 crewmembers were determined to be the minimum to meet the requirements.
§ 23.1523 Minimum flight crew.

The minimum flight crew must be established so that it is sufficient for safe operation considering—

(a) The workload on individual crewmembers and, in addition for commuter category airplanes, each crewmember workload determination must consider the following:

(1) Flight path control,

(2) Collision avoidance,

(3) Navigation,

(4) Communications,

(5) Operation and monitoring of all essential airplane systems,

(6) Command decisions, and

(7) The accessibility and ease of operation of necessary controls by the appropriate crewmember during all normal and emergency operations when at the crewmember flight station;

(b) The accessibility and ease of operation of necessary controls by the appropriate crewmember; and

(c) The kinds of operation authorized under §23.1525.

 

[Tired Soul]

Stay, stay stay, stay.....
I think you are pushing your luck here.
You're flying King Air right seat with 400 hrs.
You have any idea how long it would take you to find something similar?
Try a couple more years and another 1000hrs+.
Even if you can't log it you're flying a 350. DUH...
Change the tune before they ask you to leave.
See it this way; fly a 350 that you cannot log or fly a C150 for another 1000hrs that you can log.
Easy choice to me.

 

[Kingairrick]

I just found a good answer that I was looking for under FAR part 23. It states that if you have over 9 seats in the plane it requires an SIC. A 350 with 9 or less is available for the one pilot type.

Thanks for all the help again everybody.

Hey! I forgot about that one! If your new 350 has the aft baggage seats, you will be a required crewmember, and loging sic is OK. Oddly enough, the 300 is certified under SFAR 41c instead of part 23 and you can fly it single pilot with 10 passenger seats. Why? Who knows.

The endorsement on the type rating is "SIC Required" not "SIC Not Required" as some have posted. My type (single pilot) just says BE-300. It covers the 300 and the B300 (350). The guys in school who weren't doing very well were recommended to get the "SIC Required" type, and then have it removed by taking a single pilot ride at recurrent...

F16er, I didn't know about the pay for your replacement on your sick day thing when we communicated the other day. That's just plain WRONG!

 

[semperfido]

The endorsement on the type rating is "SIC Required" not "SIC Not Required" as some have posted. My type (single pilot) just says BE-300. It covers the 300 and the B300 (350).

this is true...my bad

 

[Thurman Merman]

There's a quick fix to the whole high alt endorsement deal, your b200 never goes above FL250, right? The 350 can be certified single pilot just like the 1900 can be certified single pilot. When I interviewed with other companies the high alt thing never came up. I got it when I upgraded and our sim instr. said hey you want it, wink, wink.

 

[F16fixer]

That might have been someone just talking about High altitude endors. I have all the required ratings and endorsements. The plane does go to FL280.

 

[F16fixer]

I understand what your saying, but I'm not getting any younger. I just have to decide if I want to basically take a year off from aviation since I WON'T be logging any time. While if I don't take the job I could be earning time just like everyone else is by flying small singles for another 500-600 hrs and be employable. Does that make any since?

Stay, stay stay, stay.....
I think you are pushing your luck here.
You're flying King Air right seat with 400 hrs.
You have any idea how long it would take you to find something similar?
Try a couple more years and another 1000hrs+.
Even if you can't log it you're flying a 350. DUH...
Change the tune before they ask you to leave.
See it this way; fly a 350 that you cannot log or fly a C150 for another 1000hrs that you can log.
Easy choice to me.

 

[prpjt]

What are your future plans? Do you want to build time to go to a regional?

If ultimately you just want the hours quickly, fly slow planes. Instruct. Enjoy the year and look for an airline seat when you get the time.

If you want to stay on the corporate side of things, take the job and start looking for something better while you are employed.

Is the current pilot getting a single pilot type? If not, you'd log legal SIC time in the 350. The reason I ask, is that they were going to send you to school. Not bashing, but this sounds like a pretty cheap operation. There would be no monetary benefit to them sending you to sim training. There would be no insurance break if they flew it single pilot some and crew sometimes. As far as insurance, it's one or the other.

If the insurance company is mandating 2 pilots, be careful. Most policies state that for the 2 crew rate, the SIC must have had approved school within the past 12 months. If you accept the gig, try to get rid of the 'you pay for the day pilot' clause. There are not many guys that have been to 350 school in the last year that would be willing to work for less than $450 a day.

As far as the value of logging time, that's a tough one that only you can answer. I can only speak for myself, but here are my thoughts on time. We operate King Airs.

Say 2 applicants come in. #1 is a flight instructor with 1100 hours. #2 is an instructor with 600 hours in his/her logbook. #2 also presents 500 hours worth of aircraft flight logs, with their name as SIC, and a couple of Flight Safety recurrent certificates. In my mind, #2 is the stronger applicant for any job that requires 2 pilots and sim training. Notwithstanding what the FAA or the airlines think, I'd view #2 as an 1100 hour pilot with some experience, and someone who has been in a structured training environment.

Before people that know me start sending resumes, we can't hire low time guys.

Good luck. I do think the pay for your replacement garbage would be a deal killer.

 

[TurboS7]

The King Air 350 is certified under Part 25.

 

[Traveller Pilot]

The job sounds like your average low budget turboprop right up to the sick day policy...then you lose me...how can they just pick any off the street replacement and expect you to pay, and on the other hand expect you to br typed....why do you need a type rating to fly right seat in that aircraft??? The salary alone seems reasonable, but the sick leave, and vacation are something that need to be looked at for sure....go to a regional, eat the initial pay cut, but look at yourself 5 years down the road...