SWAPALUV Video shocking or not!!???

[STL717]

That's what I said.

Ahhhhh....

NO....

You said this......

The TWA guys were not stapled. I personally know two former TWA captains who are flying with AA as captains.

 

[jhill]

From the history of arbitrations over the last few decades....DOH is most likely the worst case scenario for Airtran pilots. That is factual info from dozens of arbitrations (involving non-bankrupt carriers) over the years. I kinda doubt that Gary Kelly wants to downgrade almost 400 Airtran captains (most are on the 717), and upgrade pilots to fill those positions. That costs lots of money for no rational business reason.....Oh and by the way history shows that arbitrators always have kept pilots in their same seats. Can history be changed, yeah. So anything is possible. I'm a bit concerned that many SW pilots have not been educated on the history of arbitrator's decisions of the last few decades, and they may be expecting something that could be unlikely. I'm not trying to be biased or militant but there is a precedent set over the last few decades. Those will be factors as in any precedent in the world of law. I could be wrong too....who knows, anything could happen.

You might get an arbitrated list with relative but it will never be used.

 

[bladeusa]

You might get an arbitrated list with relative but it will never be used.

Is this Swapa or Usapa talking...?

I for one hope the two MC's can work something out. If not, (and especially because this orig thread is referring to the swapaluv video) then by all means send it to a neutral panel of arbitrators and let them decide whats fair and equitable. But whatever their outcome, live with it and move on.

 

[Wesb737fo]

This debate is TIRED. I saw the video and a chuckle formed but was never released. Why? Not because I was offended, but because it was rather second rate. The Torti shorts were way more funny. If I am going to visit this board for the comedy you need to do a better job......now get out there and do something funny!

 

[SWA/CA]

If I am going to visit this board for the comedy you need to do a better job......now get out there and do something funny!

I don't think it was meant to be funny.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Like how about a movie parody.........maybe call it SWA-WARS. You guys could pick the main characters from this board. Sure you can pick Ty for Jabba The Hut, but I've seen the guy and he's not fat. Of course my pick for Jar Jar Binks is Bob Dylan.......constant non sensical gibberish .... Gary Kelly is Obe-Wan I'm sure. The BMT would have to be storm troopers or something. You can pick on me, but I'm kind of a minor player in this thing, like that parrot man-bird thingy or those beady eyed little dudes that drive their big @&& tank around the desert. Come on let's see some ideas!

 

[Wesb737fo]

I don't think it was meant to be funny.

You know what ..... You're right..... I meant to post this about the Guadalupe Express video. There are so many SWA threads its hard to keep track. I saw both videos. The Swapa Luv explaining the deal didn't offend me either. Don't you agree though? We need a little more funny on this board.

 

[roughneck]

I just watched the Swapa luv video and expected to be shocked after reading this thread. I didn't see anything on there that wasn't directly out of the history books or out of the SEC filed on September 26th.

I think it was a fair representation of the facts about how the transaction will be accomplished. I hope that those who say they were offended get over it. It didn't appear to be anything more than an education video about the acquisition and I highly doubt it was meant to offend.

Lets be reasonable, come to a negotiated deal everyone can live with, and press on with a new stronger SWA.

 

[SWA/CA]

Don't you agree though? We need a little more funny on this board.

Yes.

I actually learned something from watching the SWAPALUV video. I didn't know about Texas Sub LLC.

 

[Ty Webb]

Sure you can pick Ty for Jabba The Hut, but I've seen the guy and he's not fat.

I'm thinking that with all this back hair, I could make an excellent Wookie. :0

 

[dh82dvr]

I completely agree and as I said I expect us to all come to an agreement, have smores around the campfire, have group hugs and then get down to work.

Personally I am excited about our future.

Gup

Save me a seat around the campfire. However I will pass on the smores, but beers are always welcome!!

:beer:

 

[Lear70]

I'm thinking that with all this back hair, I could make an excellent Wookie. :0

finally. Something worth debating.

As long as I get to be Luke, I'm good with you as Chewie. You can be my Wookie anytime man.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Staple guns are being readied

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

As long as I get to be Luke, I'm good with you as Chewie. You can be my Wookie anytime man.

Luke? I was like 8 when this came out but Wasn't he trying to bang his sister, That's kind of a deep south thing (I know, he didn't know it was his sister, in the DEEP SOUTH, after you found out it wouldn't matter!)...And for the rest of your statement, It's somewhat gay sounding...Hans Solo was the Wookie's side kick AND got the girl.

Ty, at least with the PAY raise you can afford to get Laser treatment...I'm not flying anywhere with you where you want to go out to the pool wearing a Sweater.

One weekend to go then it's off to destroy the Death Star in ATL (DAL).

KBB

 

[Lear70]

Luke? I was like 8 when this came out but Wasn't he trying to bang his sister, That's kind of a deep south thing (I know, he didn't know it was his sister, in the DEEP SOUTH, after you found out it wouldn't matter!)
KBB

well, I *am* from TN so sure,,, I'm your huckleberry. lol

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, at least with the PAY raise you can afford to get Laser treatment...I'm not flying anywhere with you where you want to go out to the pool wearing a Sweater.

I can afford laser now, but why bother? I just roll with my "unfrozen cave man pilot" routine . . . chicks dig it. :laugh:

 

[elcid]

I think the video is accurate historically. If I were at Airtran I would be looking at the precedents here. Frontier got hosed by a self serving union president. They never knew a thing until the deal was rejected. Had they voted it might have gone down differently. Then again, maybe not based on the FI posts by the Frontier guys. Muse, which was acquired by SWA and became Transtar holdings, got hosed (by ALPA). They rejected SWAPA's offer and Herb operated them as a wholly owned subsidiary and drew them down. Morris is the only one who went along, and they made out well. They got stapled and are all happy campers at SWA now. If I'm an Airtran guy right now, I'm thinking "Let's get all we can, but don't piss this away." I wish the best to both sides. No one wants to get a raw deal, and I think most of us feel for the other guy's position. At the end of the day though, AT pilots have to ask themselves is it really worth losing the whole deal? On the street vs. pay protected at SWA with better benefits, 401k, more days off, huge pay raises for most, and on and on? ALPA may well kill the golden goose like they did with Muse. Arbitration or mutually agreed to SLI may not be the only two possible outcomes here. The video is an accurate historical demonstration of how that has gone in the past.

 

[Slug]

Crap, I was hoping to be the Wookie. Jabba, maybe, as long as I have the princess on a chain. ;-)

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I don't think it is fair to compare AAI to F9, muse, or morris. Muse and morris were very small struggling startups and F9 was a niche player trying to make a run in Denver against a weak UAL and y'all. AAI is number 2 in the Worlds busiest airport and have been holding their own. I don't know what there share is in ATL but I would guess 20-30%. Swa will not and can not get a foothold in ATL (the worlds busiest airport)without AAI. Let's not forget their BWI operation. Does swa offer better pay, benefits etc? Yes. But we heard the same from the delta types about our (nwa) contract. After the fact, we have found a lot of flaws in that. As far as the threat of being on the street, that is BS. AAI will survive with or without swa.

I think the video is accurate historically. If I were at Airtran I would be looking at the precedents here. Frontier got hosed by a self serving union president. They never knew a thing until the deal was rejected. Had they voted it might have gone down differently. Then again, maybe not based on the FI posts by the Frontier guys. Muse, which was acquired by SWA and became Transtar holdings, got hosed (by ALPA). They rejected SWAPA's offer and Herb operated them as a wholly owned subsidiary and drew them down. Morris is the only one who went along, and they made out well. They got stapled and are all happy campers at SWA now. If I'm an Airtran guy right now, I'm thinking "Let's get all we can, but don't piss this away." I wish the best to both sides. No one wants to get a raw deal, and I think most of us feel for the other guy's position. At the end of the day though, AT pilots have to ask themselves is it really worth losing the whole deal? On the street vs. pay protected at SWA with better benefits, 401k, more days off, huge pay raises for most, and on and on? ALPA may well kill the golden goose like they did with Muse. Arbitration or mutually agreed to SLI may not be the only two possible outcomes here. The video is an accurate historical demonstration of how that has gone in the past.

 

[doh]

http://www.swapaluv.com/graphic-depiction-of-transaction

Discuss.

My favorite part: is when the video points to - United Keeping the CAL tail as direct evidence as to why the AAI-LUV merger is different. Whilst in the previous slide agreeing the merger/acquisition strategy technique being used by CAL/UAL is the same. Really?

Is this a fear tactic? Or does this hold merit? You decide.......

With that position, you get binding arbitration without a doubt. Hopefully, the people in charge at SWAPA are smarter than that.