SWAPALUV Video shocking or not!!???

[birdman1]

I'm not going to discuss SLI but if you don't think there is a chance of Airtran being run separately and dissolved if this goes south then you are being naive. I honestly don't think it's going to come anywhere close to that but you ought to have a good idea what the other guy is holding if you're going to go all in.

4 days!

Gup

"Dissolved if this goes south" Now do you really want that? 10 to 15 years from now, we might look back at this video and say this was the beginning of the end of SW. I think you should call up SWAPA and ask them if they want this. Take a look at your next door neighbor[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]AMR...nothing but bad karma. What company do you want to compete against Delta in Hotlanta...divide SWA or a united SWA?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

just in swapaluv is accepting applications for the new reality television show featuring swa and airtran crews. They will live in a house together till the negotiations are finished.

"two shall enter, one shall leave, two shall enter, one shall leave!!!"

 

[Kharma Police]

"two shall enter, one shall leave, two shall enter, one shall leave!!!"

From that same scene, "IF" it goes to arbitration, "bust a deal, face the wheel"

 

[swa737-700]

All the strife is coming from the guys with the most to lose. The senior swa fo's. Anyone in the left seat will stay there. It is the guys who believe that they should gain from the merger that are most upset. Airtran fo's gain a huge pay raise, Airtran captains get a nice raise, Swa captains allready have the dream and dont care. Top quarter of the swa fo list get squat. Tbat is the way it always works in mergers...

Dogg, I may be included in the group you claim to have the most to lose. That said, even IF DOH is awarded, you got to admit that some of the Airtran captains will be SWA f/o's...with a pay raise. So no, not everyone in the left seat is going to stay in the left seat.

 

[V1 ROT8]

"Dissolved if this goes south" Now do you really want that?

Is the Pope Catholic?

 

[funnyman12]

From the history of arbitrations over the last few decades....DOH is most likely the worst case scenario for Airtran pilots. That is factual info from dozens of arbitrations (involving non-bankrupt carriers) over the years. I kinda doubt that Gary Kelly wants to downgrade almost 400 Airtran captains (most are on the 717), and upgrade pilots to fill those positions. That costs lots of money for no rational business reason.....Oh and by the way history shows that arbitrators always have kept pilots in their same seats. Can history be changed, yeah. So anything is possible. I'm a bit concerned that many SW pilots have not been educated on the history of arbitrator's decisions of the last few decades, and they may be expecting something that could be unlikely. I'm not trying to be biased or militant but there is a precedent set over the last few decades. Those will be factors as in any precedent in the world of law. I could be wrong too....who knows, anything could happen.

 

[ASADFW7]

Thanks for adding your thoughts. We will all find out soon enough.

 

[densoo]

What is most shocking to me about this site is that two legacy carriers that are about to become the largest flight ops in history can't manage to put something like this together. Whether to present spin or facts--and that difference is entirely in the eye of the beholder--UCAL ALPA is way behind the power curve in the info department.

 

[waveflyer]

Everyone watch your own attitude. And dont worry about everyone else's. This is a situation where PERCEPTION will definitely equal reality. And we want positive self-fulfilled prophecies, not negative. Both sides are well represented- it will work out. But however it does- will you be defined by the hopes and expectations (and anger?) you've built up over the past months- or will you objectively and rationally take stock of your life?

The choice is all of ours, individually.
I have my opinions about this SLI and believe in them strongly- to me every AT pilot ought to be grateful if stapled- this place is that good. What keeps me even keeled is that I am much more attached to RETIRING HAPPY, than I am to my SLI opinions. And more than any circumstance that can occur in my life, I know the responsibility for that happiness is on me.

This place has made people wealthy in every way a person can be wealthy- materialistically, and in satisfaction w/ life- it's one thing to squeeze the golden goose- in this unique case- it is possible to poison the eggs- think back to when you started flying and when you interviewed - Don't let YOU be part of the poisoning. And keep FI in the place it belongs- cathartic entertainment and mental masturbation- nothing more

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Total BS

This thread and the 100 just like it are such crap. This is so stupid I can't believe it. You didn't see the NWA/DAL pilots acting this way. No SLI threads on UAL/CAL either. This is unprofessional, unproductive and it needs to stop now.
Bottom line is the NCs will agree or they will not. If there is an agreement the members of both sides will accept it or they will not. If there is no member ratified agreement it will go to arbitration. If it does we will all have to live with the award and thats it. You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.
Of course growth would ease the pain. But if you really believe that there will be growth as a result of this you are smoking crack laced with meth. The yield isnt there especially at $112 oil. We will be stagnant for a long time to come so we need to figure out how to get along no matter how this turns out for us.
The worst case scenario for either pilot group is not relative senoirity or a staple but a toxic environment like they have at LCC.

Luv
Ghetto

 

[waveflyer]

The worst case scenario for either pilot group is not relative senoirity or a staple but a toxic environment like they have at LCC.

Luv
Ghetto

Word!
+1

 

[densoo]

You didn't see the NWA/DAL pilots acting this way.

They got about 75% of their W2 in a lump sum to get along. Money can't make you happy, but it sure can ease the pain.

No SLI threads on UAL/CAL either.

They're so busy beating off management that they're too weary to comment.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Word!
+1

Coming from the guy that just said he personally belived that every AT pilot should be happy with a staple.

Which is it Wave?

 

[SWA/CA]

not everyone in the left seat is going to stay in the left seat.

True dat!

I'm a bit concerned that many (Tranny Pilots) SW pilots have not been educated on the history of arbitrator's decisions of the last few decades, and they may be expecting something that could be unlikely.

Insert "Tranny Pilots" where he lists SW Pilots. The price of oil going up, the way the "deal" is going to be made with holding companies, injects a lot of reality into the equation. The Trannys have the most to lose. This is a fact.

Ask any Transtar dude.

That being said, I do think it will work out, honestly.

We are very protective of what we have here at Southwest. None of you should be shocked that we take great pride in our Company, and I'm sure many of you will too once you get here. You just have to make it through the journey.

Working at Southwest will be a life changing event. You will live it.

In closing, I will add that I was disappointed yesterday in MDW, when I happen to walk out of the lounge and stumble onto a Tranny flight crew (3 FAs and a Captain). The Fas were very nice and engaged me in conversation right away. The Captain went to the opposite side of the hallway, it was obvious he didn't want to talk to me. As the guys on ESPN would say "Com'on Man!" - you think I was going to jump your a$$ about SLI? (This was 14:00-14:45 ish...I'm sure someone could look it up...is this guy that shy?) :cartman:

 

[V1 ROT8]

Funnyman12:

I think you are forgetting what this thread is about. Watch the video. There's a link on the first post.

V1

 

[waveflyer]

Coming from the guy that just said he personally belived that every AT pilot should be happy with a staple.

Which is it Wave?

Did you even read my post??

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Did you even read my post??

Yeah, I read the post. Blah, blah, blah, I believe strongly that AAI pilots should be grateful to be stapled, blah, blah, blah. Then you agree with a poster that points out that ther were no where near the posts of this type with NW/DL or UAL/CAL. Good luck with your personal mission of dealing with it, sounds like you will need it in overcoming your "personal opinion".

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah, apparently you only read the part you were afraid of. Iow- get a life and go enjoy it- SLI bs is boring at best

 

[GuppyWN]

"Dissolved if this goes south" Now do you really want that? 10 to 15 years from now, we might look back at this video and say this was the beginning of the end of SW. I think you should call up SWAPA and ask them if they want this. Take a look at your next door neighborAMR...nothing but bad karma. What company do you want to compete against Delta in Hotlanta...divide SWA or a united SWA?

I completely agree and as I said I expect us to all come to an agreement, have smores around the campfire, have group hugs and then get down to work.

Personally I am excited about our future.

Gup

 

[afhercdriver]

Herc Driver
I suggest you don’t talk about things you know nothing about.

58% of the TWA pilots were stapled. Some of the stapled pilots were captains.
The TWA pilots not stapled were integrated from the BOTTOM of the AA pilot seniority list at a ratio of 1 TWA pilot to 8.11 AA pilots. Most of the pilots furloughed after 911 were former TWA pilots including some hired at TWA in 1988.
The side letter called “Supplement CC” allows some former TWA pilots to fly captain out of seniority in STL.

So you are partially correct, there are some former TWA pilots flying captain.

That's what I said.