SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[RLAblows]

In the aviation world, most pilots over spend and over buy houses. The SWA group is no exception. They are capped out for the most part that is why upgrade is so important. The AAI group will experience the pay bump with more daylight at the end of the month. The ones screaming the loudest are tapped out and need the upgrade to fix mistakes, their own, IMHO. If there is good news for the AAI group in this, all first officers will make equivalent to old AAI captains wage when the SWA CBA takes hold. For the AAI captains, it is like flying X numbers if extra days every month without having to actually fly them.

This isn't a sales job, just a little insight. I am a five year SWA first officer, for me this is just a groaner. I welcome the good news for the AAI guys, but for us middle of the pack first officers we just have to take it with a grain of salt. With no bump and flush, it is what it is. The AAI guys might be pissed that life changed, but again it is what it is. Enjoy deciding what is a good deal or not. For SWA guys this will not match our expectations when we got hired either. But that was lost a long time ago.

That is an excellent insight to what is going on. It's just the way the ball bounces. Life isn't always how we perceive as fair and we certainly know that the airline industry isn't fair. All we can do is make the best of what cards we have been dealt. I look forward to playing my cards the best way I can with my new company. Also looking forward to my Wild Turkey shot with my new brothers and sisters wherever I fall on the list.

 

[redflyer65]

redflyer65,

That question just brings this whole discussion right back to its beginnings on Sept 27th.

Let us just hold back and see whatever is presented. You are not going to win any arguments with AAI pilots. Nor are they going to win any with the SWA pilots.

Fair enough. I will read the whole package before deciding on which way to vote. Hoping for good things.

RF

 

[PuffDriver]

Only on aviation message boards:

Everyone crucifies one pilot group for prioritizing seniority over money
1 thread up, everyone is liking the thought of seniority for sale.

Makes me laugh.

 

[madjack]

And not a single one of those things will cost you a dime, or affect your quality of life in any way.


boy, oh boy...

 

[DougCorp-9]

I get to keep my captain seat but I am most likely going to have to commute somewhere to use it instead of driving 30 minute to the parking lot. :-(((

 

[jball2]

I bet you keep your 30 min drive via a fence. I, on the other hand, will have to keep commuting from ATL because the fence will keep me out. Eventually, I hope park my ugly A$$ car in the company parking lot and be done, I hope! ;-)

 

[Kharma Police]

I bet you keep your 30 min drive via a fence. I, on the other hand, will have to keep commuting from ATL because the fence will keep me out. Eventually, I hope park my ugly A$$ car in the company parking lot and be done, I hope! ;-)

That sucks, I was hoping to get some new blood in Atlanta, especially some former ASA buds. Instead ATL will be, "The Island of Misfit Toys".

 

[scoreboardII]

I bet everyone will be happier in the end.

Lear, any thoughts on who leaked info to Holly H?

http://www.planebuzz.com/

 

[slaquer5]

I bet you keep your 30 min drive via a fence. I, on the other hand, will have to keep commuting from ATL because the fence will keep me out. Eventually, I hope park my ugly A$$ car in the company parking lot and be done, I hope! ;-)

The longer your flying out of MDW the better. Flying with you is about as good as it gets.

 

[puddlejumper101]

That sucks, I was hoping to get some new blood in Atlanta, especially some former ASA buds. Instead ATL will be, "The Island of Misfit Toys".

remember though, SWA will not stay the size it is in ATL for too long. There will probably be vacancies in ATL sooner than you think.

 

[redflyer65]

I bet everyone will be happier in the end.

Lear, any thoughts on who leaked info to Holly H?

http://www.planebuzz.com/

That seems to be making the rounds pretty quickly. Be interesting to see how accurate it is in the end. I would have preferred cold hard cash instead of stock or options.

Hoping for enough grease to make it work for all of us.

 

[DougCorp-9]

What is reserve like at SWA? Do they use you every day or do you sit at home ? Can you pick up extra flying over guarantee on your days off?

 

[DougCorp-9]

Jball2,

We can get together and commiserate over beers how bad our life is. :-(


OK that was hard to say with a straight face. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! )))))))

 

[puddlejumper101]

That seems to be making the rounds pretty quickly. Be interesting to see how accurate it is in the end. I would have preferred cold hard cash instead of stock or options.

Hoping for enough grease to make it work for all of us.

I could be wrong, but I don't think it's stock options. It's actual stock that you can sell any time you want. No strike price. In other words, SWA just reimbursed you for the 737 type.

 

[redflyer65]

I just threw the options part in there for good measure. The rumor is 1000 shares that have to be held for 24 months. I really didn't pay much for my type, after taking the education deduction from it I was only out about a thousand. It paid off quickly though. Best money ever spent.

 

[puddlejumper101]

if this is true, not bad...I don't think an arbitrator can do better than that. Boy SWA laid it all out there. If Airtran turns this down they are crazy.
I think SWA pilots will approve this, we won't be elated by any means but...from the surface without details it seems fair (I think).

 

[puddlejumper101]

I just threw the options part in there for good measure. The rumor is 1000 shares that have to be held for 24 months. I really didn't pay much for my type, after taking the education deduction from it I was only out about a thousand. It paid off quickly though. Best money ever spent.

I agree, best money I ever spent. I think that was the motivation behind the stock grant was to put that type argument to rest forever. that's my opinion of course.

 

[elcid]

I think I would wait for the details before I speculate. That's old Gouge from the deal. The guy who posted that says he was joking. See his post called "the deal"

 

[elcid]

Here of is:

To all.

I wrote the post that started this thread. It was a hastily prepared attempt to bring a little levity and harmless mental exercise on a day when speculation and rumors were rampant. I thought that would be more obvious than it obviously was. I have no connection to anyone involved in the process and zero idea of the planks of the actual agreement. I apologize forany stress I havecaused to anyone, especially the hardworking negotiators and leadership of all parties involved.

 

[waveflyer]

If he is a Fredo, then you must be the loud mouthed, hot headed Sonny. You deferentially aren't a Michael.......

You think too much of me. I'm not even shining their shoes yet brotha-
I appreciate the deference though.

 

[jball2]

Slaquer, thanks for your kind words! The feeling is mutual! BTW- did you get your commendation from Gary?

 

[Kharma Police]

You think too much of me. I'm not even shining their shoes yet brotha-
I appreciate the deference though.

Sonny was the mack with the ladies.....

 

[saabcaptain]

What is reserve like at SWA? Do they use you every day or do you sit at home ? Can you pick up extra flying over guarantee on your days off?

Reserve is IMHO one of the weakest parts of our contract but still darn good. Highlights:

1. Reserve lights pay 85/87/89 trips based on <30/30/31 day months.
2. Each day of reserve counts as 6 trips or the greater of what was flown and you can go over the guarantee.
3. You can pick up extra flying over guarantee on a day off, any day off flying does NOT go towards the guarantee so it is money in your pocket.
4. No more than 16 reserve working days in a 31 day month, 15 in a 30 or 29 month, 14 in a 28 month. (And a big pat on the back for our line holding guarentees, never more than 15 days scheduled in a month but MUST meet the overall average of no more than 13.45 in a 31 month, 13 in a 30, 12.55 in a 29, or 12.10 in a 28 day month, so you can see the average line is WAY under what you do at Airtran all with much more pay.)

 

[slaquer5]

Slaquer, thanks for your kind words! The feeling is mutual! BTW- did you get your commendation from Gary?

I did my brother and over 30 trips for that 2 day

 

[27 driver]

remember though, SWA will not stay the size it is in ATL for too long. There will probably be vacancies in ATL sooner than you think.

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

 

[puddlejumper101]

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

We shall see, with the amount of space and the fact that the network has to be connected between the two carriers, I bet it gets bigger. If anything, TPA and MCO might be the ones to shrink. Originators and terminators will make more $$$ out of ATL than MCO and TPA.

 

[27 driver]

We shall see, with the amount of space and the fact that the network has to be connected between the two carriers, I bet it gets bigger. If anything, TPA and MCO might be the ones to shrink. Originators and terminators will make more $$$ out of ATL than MCO and TPA.

I hope you are right but what I am hearing the actual base will be smaller than it is today. Down to around 850 pilots. There may be more flights per day but domicile size will be smaller. I am just line swine so I hope I am wrong.

 

[Empennage]

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

Not to mention the difference in staffing levels

 

[slaquer5]

I hope you are right but what I am hearing the actual base will be smaller than it is today. Down to around 850 pilots. There may be more flights per day but domicile size will be smaller. I am just line swine so I hope I am wrong.

I doubt it will get smaller. Unlike other airlines SWA does not ron crews at a base. So at over 300 flights a day and ATL being on est. ,it will be much bigger. But again, I could be wrong. ( doubt it though).

 

[Daddy]

I agree with slaquer...no way does ATL shrink