SWAPA/ALPA negotiate settlement

[FDJ2]

Better polish up that crystal ball or stop smoking crack because you have ZERO ability to see into the future. Now, what you posted may be your best one-sided anti-ALPA guess, but it is far from reality.

Arbitration awards do not take 14-18 months, especially one as easy as this case is, meaning that there aren't multiple fleets involved. The award, based on the agreed upon timeline, should occur in late December or early January; that being about 4-6 weeks after arbitration talks conclude.

Correct. Once it starts, it will happen quickly. Their will be a fair and equitable list which will be binding on all sides. Hopefully after it happens, all sides can put their big boy pants on, complete the integration and move forward together. There is no need to fear fair and equitable.

 

[Fubijaakr]

There will be no recall because the AAI MEC did EXACTLY what the rank and file wanted.

Send this controversy to the arbitrator and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[slaquer5]

Listen chicks, I actually am happy, and this SWA/AT stuff really makes me happy. I can't wait to see how it all ends. Popcorn ready. Godspeed ladies!


OYS

Yuck

I do not need a visual of that. OY6 eating poppcorn as it falls on her fat flabby gut. What the gut does not catch her hairy beaver catches the rest.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Can someone help me out? I got a PM from a flight info dude that said, "Regarding OYS-Watch out for the "Gunt".

'scuse me, I'm not too savvy. What's a Gunt?

 

[slaquer5]

can someone help me out? I got a pm from a flight info dude that said, "regarding oys-watch out for the "gunt".

'scuse me, i'm not too savvy. What's a gunt?

g = c

 

[waveflyer]

Correct. Once it starts, it will happen quickly. Their will be a fair and equitable list which will be binding on all sides. Hopefully after it happens, all sides can put their big boy pants on, complete the integration and move forward together. There is no need to fear fair and equitable.

So GK wants a negotiated list, and has been very open that he wants all pilots to agree and vote the list in instead of have it forced on us--- but AT ALPA is convincing you guys that arbitration is the better way.

I'm here and I understand the culture- GK wants everyone to OWN this- I don't understand what's hard to understand about that- or why AT pilots want to go a route that will affect the culture negatively.

The thought process is that if we all vote it in- we can't really have much angst about it

 

[On Your Six]

Yuck

I do not need a visual of that. OY6 eating poppcorn as it falls on her fat flabby gut. What the gut does not catch her hairy beaver catches the rest.

You're really trying to be funny, but it just covers the fact that you are scared of arbitration. It's okay, even though upgrade may take longer, at least you will finally get to see ATL. Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

So GK wants a negotiated list, and has been very open that he wants all pilots to agree and vote the list in instead of have it forced on us--- but AT ALPA is convincing you guys that arbitration is the better way.

I'm here and I understand the culture- GK wants everyone to OWN this- I don't understand what's hard to understand about that- or why AT pilots want to go a route that will affect the culture negatively.

The thought process is that if we all vote it in- we can't really have much angst about it

Southwest also said they would never go back to DEN, but they did. Things change, and maybe GK will too. He's got a good excuse, "it's binding arbitration."



OYS

 

[dicko]

I will just assume you have camel toe.

While we're on the subject. You guys owe me 6 months of therapy. I observed 'moose knuckle' at MDW.

Those shorts should be banned. I'll never be the same.

 

[Empennage]

There will be no recall because the AAI MEC did EXACTLY what the rank and file wanted.

Send this controversy to the arbitrator and let the chips fall where they may.

You guys and gals who think arbitration is the best answer here don't understand the process and the complexities, time and money involved in transition regardless of the outcome.

The chips falling attitude is a mindless and apathetic solution.

Fumanchu, let me help you out yet again. Examples are section 1 waivers, transition training based on seniority and 717 pay rate.

Every time you attempt to enlighten us, you look more and more uneducated. In really don't uexpect you to understand all of this, but please find a new hobby. You are not doing any of us any good.

 

[Nindiri]

It's good that both sides are negotiating again, but it looks like arbitration is inevitable. Having already promised a staple to the SWA pilots, I'm not sure how far SWAPA can move away from that promise now without having a mutiny on their hands. I'm really surprised that SWAPA put themselves in this unfortunate position.

 

[GuppyWN]

Or, translated, ALPA said "we're just a bunch of greedy pilots who will destroy a company to get what we DESERVE and try to blame it on SWAPA."

Gup

 

[redflyer65]

Nindiri,

You can't keep saying this stuff to make it true.

Again, were has anyone stated SWAPA was demanding a staple? It's a complete lie on your part, plain and simple.

A couple of extra points..

Upon looking over arbitration awards, it appears that the strength and long term career expectations of the SW pilots will play out pretty well. The complete one-sided arguements on the SW side are very, very strong. What is AAI gonna argue? We want realitive just because we want it? and..

I have a very strong feeling Gary won't integrate a bad arbitrated SLI from the SWAPA veiwpoint. Do you really think he would ruin the culture that he and Herb have developed over 40yrs? Really?

The leverage has shifted since the AAI MEC turned down the AIP, and I think most on this side of the fence are very grateful. Thank you.

RF

 

[Nindiri]

Yes, they definitely promised a staple or near-staple. It's not exactly a secret, it's been in the news and was even discussed on the SWA pilots' own message board.

I don't understand why SWAPA made that promise. Surely they knew that SWA pilots would expect them to follow through with it.

 

[jonjuan]

So GK wants a negotiated list, and has been very open that he wants all pilots to agree and vote the list in instead of have it forced on us--- but AT ALPA is convincing you guys that arbitration is the better way.

I'm here and I understand the culture- GK wants everyone to OWN this- I don't understand what's hard to understand about that- or why AT pilots want to go a route that will affect the culture negatively.

The thought process is that if we all vote it in- we can't really have much angst about it

Obama is our president. Each time a new law/policy is discussed, our elected reps either vote for or against it. My rep, congressman, and senator speaks for me. What's so hard to understand about this? the reps are elected by us.
Besides, all we heard was the swapa folks were going to overwhelmingly vote sl9 down. It seems we are looking at the same process going forward. I think you guys are now thankful you didn't have to give Gary the "middle finger" first. Now that it has happened, you are all mouthing off that it would have passed muster and the at dudes are somehow now the bad ones.
Please reconcile these facts.

By the way, remember that it's a blending of cultures, philosophies, work ethics, attitudes, and scruples. Don't dare assume that these attributes at swa are better than those at AT.