SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[madjack]

-9cpt, in other words SWAPA was not going to support AAI-ALPA and it's decisions regarding SLI negotiations...ALPA desired arbitration, SWAPA did not, the fact that SWAPA's goals were aligned with the company was fortuitous....

 

[madjack]

I agree SWAPA would never strike, but I believe the company valued our goodwill...

 

[-9Capt]

I'm confused 9Capt. Then why were MOST of the AirTran pilots overly excited about being purchased by Southwest?

Was it..

A- Getting SW pay and work rules vs. what you had?
B- Getting rid of your horrible management team?
C- Working for a more stable company with a long history of success?
D- All of the above.

E- none of the above


I can only speak for myself but I never applied to SW or had a desire to work there. I'll always believe that my seniority was stolen from me through lies and threats. The fact don't lie, GK however...

Anyway, I'm done with this for a while. Take it easy.

 

[madjack]

Quitter

 

[waveflyer]

How many AirTran pilots were stapled below them? I forget?

Well it took me 4 years AFTER I turned down air tran to get the SWA job so...not enough-

Sl9 was closer-

 

[PCL_128]

That's hilarious PCL.

So you would have liked more seniority AND to almost double your salary

After three years of this nonsense, you still aren't listening, red. I never cared about your pay rates, or the rest of your CBA, for that matter. I only cared about the seniority. I didn't feel entitled to anything that I didn't already have.

 

[waveflyer]

So why did you leave pinnacle for air tran PCL?

You had a lot more seniority there....

 

[PCL_128]

So why did you leave pinnacle for air tran PCL?

You had a lot more seniority there....

Primarily QOL issues. Being based at home means everything. Not to mention that there is next to zero job security when your airplanes have some other company's name painted on the side with the words "connection" or "link" appended.

 

[GoodTimes]

So AAI was your idea of job security?

 

[vixin]

So AAI was your idea of job security?

Yeah how did that work out for him? Now he will be gone. I bet if I set up an account for charity he would have donated all the extra money. Right!

 

[waveflyer]

Primarily QOL issues. Being based at home means everything. Not to mention that there is next to zero job security when your airplanes have some other company's name painted on the side with the words "connection" or "link" appended.

And that's it?

Money and contract aren't part of QOL?

SWA doesn't offer better job security than air tran?

Did you ever think that your contract demands and 95% strike vote led directly to you being sold?

Do you think your priorities are the priorities of most pilots?

 

[PCL_128]

And that's it?

Money and contract aren't part of QOL?

I was making $80k at Pinnacle, and living quite well. It wasn't about the money to me. I'm certainly not going to turn down money, and I'll always fight for improvements through pattern bargaining, but it wasn't the reason for my move.

As far as CBA, as I've told you repeatedly, I prefer my CBA over yours. Hell, most regionals have better reserve work rules than you do. Contracts aren't all about pay rates, which is all it seems that you care about.

SWA doesn't offer better job security than air tran?

If it does, then it's only marginally so, and even that's questionable. AirTran was growing and turning record profits consistently. SWA was stagnant, albeit still profitable. For job security, being at 92% on a combined seniority list isn't very reassuring.

Did you ever think that your contract demands and 95% strike vote led directly to you being sold?

Not a chance.

Do you think your priorities are the priorities of most pilots?

I don't claim to speak for anyone but me.

 

[texman]

I agree SWAPA would never strike, but I believe the company valued our goodwill...

FYI,

SWAPA did have a full up strike vote back in 1989.

 

[ngsp]

FYI,

SWAPA did have a full up strike vote back in 1989.

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

 

[intooclose]

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

I will NOT cross a SWAPA picket line if it ever comes to that. A-hole.

There is a personal code I try to live by:
Faith
Family
Fraternity

It has served me well over the years I don't intend to ever disregard them. You should think about things that are important to you and live by them. "Pride comes before the downfall."

 

[SWA Bubba]

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

This is crap.

Scabs cross picket lines, not pissed off former AirTran guys. Especially not guys who used to run their union. You've just insulted every AirTran guy out there; do you really think the'd all become scabs, just to spite SWAPA? This may very well go down in FI history as the most universally-understood stupid thing ever asserted on this forum.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

This is crap.

Scabs cross picket lines, not pissed off former AirTran guys. Especially not guys who used to run their union. You've just insulted every AirTran guy out there; do you really think the'd all become scabs, just to spite SWAPA? This may very well go down in FI history as the most universally-understood stupid thing ever asserted on this forum.

Bubba

Gotta agree with this. No matter how pissed off I may be, I'd never cross a picket line. I'm sure 99% of the AirTran pilots agree. Of course, there are the few remaining guys who already crossed one line in '89, so I'm sure most of them would cross another.

 

[ngsp]

i hope we never have to find out. you might be surprised. we voted to save our job one time, why do you think it would be different going forward?

 

[PCL_128]

i hope we never have to find out. you might be surprised. we voted to save our job one time, why do you think it would be different going forward?

First, I dispute the use of the term "we."

I just think crossing a picket line is an entirely different animal than voting away seniority out of fear.

 

[Ty Webb]

i hope we never have to find out. you might be surprised. we voted to save our job one time, why do you think it would be different going forward?

BIG difference.

I'm with Bubba. Put the bottle down. Voting to swallow a sh!t sandwich has nothing to do with crossing a picket line. Period.

 

[waveflyer]

You should move to Seattle PCL, the garbage collectors here make $80k.
All points of view are certainly singular- but I've flown at enough regionals to know work rules are certainly better here at SWA - not perfect and improvements can be made- but I'm curious what work rules you'd like to see changed?

One thing I will understand is that not everyone wanted a different career than air tran-

That said, I'm certainly sure there are a majority who are happy to be part of SWA now and view it as good- just wondering if you represented their view well PCL ?

 

[waveflyer]

The above exchange is why air tran pilots will fit in well- I wish there wasn't so much drama surrounding SLI

 

[freightdogfred]

Moot point.
SWAPA has many braves, but few warriors
They will never walk the warpath
They care only about the wampum

Why even discuss it

 

[texman]

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

Yea right. I love my company but I would never cross a picket line. Nor would any AT guy or girl. My personal funds would carry me and my family for a year.

 

[PCL_128]

You should move to Seattle PCL, the garbage collectors here make $80k.

No thanks. I'm doing pretty well outside aviation without collecting garbage.

All points of view are certainly singular- but I've flown at enough regionals to know work rules are certainly better here at SWA - not perfect and improvements can be made- but I'm curious what work rules you'd like to see changed?

I would start with the reserve work rules, which are sub-regional. Those alone are enough to make me favor our CBA over yours.

That said, I'm certainly sure there are a majority who are happy to be part of SWA now and view it as good- just wondering if you represented their view well PCL ?

I didn't have any need to represent anyone's view but my own. Do you represent the views of others?

 

[scoreboardII]

Sub regional reserve? I don't recall SWA having stand up overnights... I don't recall SWA having more days of reserve than regionals.

 

[redflyer65]

Scoreboard,

You have to add in Airport Ready Reserve to your list of questionable Airtran reserve practices.

Airport Ready Reserve is the epitome of Sub-Regional Reserve.

The days off at SW while on reserve are better than most majors I believe, far from regional reserve. Isn't that directly related to QOL?

 

[Bake]

SWA does have a very nice set of days off on reserve but how we get paid for that reserve month is sub par. However, if you learn the play the game you can actually make money by giving away reserve days. That is the only saving grace from our rules. We don't have a long call out thanks to our multiple closings of our open time on a daily basis. I have to rate SWA reserve rules a D+ due to the pay. However, if you can be a good player you can make it a B-.

 

[canyonblue]

I would start with the reserve work rules, which are sub-regional. Those alone are enough to make me favor our CBA over yours.

What the hell are you talking about?

We have 15-16 days off on reserve.

You cannot be JA'd while on Reserve.

Separate AM/PM Reserve lines that can only be changed with your approval.

Only 3 day or 4 day blocks.

No Airport Standby.

WTF?

 

[Clyde Frog]

Scoreboard,

You have to add in Airport Ready Reserve to your list of questionable Airtran reserve practices.

I used to call and ask to be put on ready reserve. Pays more and can potentially get you home earlier. Sometimes a full day earlier.