SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[PCL_128]

Sounds a little socialist to me. Not hatin, just sayin.

Probably why I agree with wave on something for once.

 

[PCL_128]

So what is ALPAs excuse? 5 years of fighting at AirTran and at the end of the day the company was sold and the negotiation wrapped up when management decided.

As someone else pointed out, ALPA was only here for 18 months when we got our CBA. The joke that was the NPA allowed negotiations to drag on for the other 3.5 years. ALPA basically started from scratch, did a complete re-write of our Scheduling section, and got it all done in 18 months.

Lets talk about the contract:
1. Caved on scope

You mean improvements on scope. Scope is more than seat limits. It's also merger protections. But you gave those away because you were a coward, didn't you?

2. Industry trailing rates even with a massive FO raise

Actually, industry standard rates.

3. The same reserve system as ASA (SureJet or whatever they are)

Not even close.

4. Yes it was better than the old contract. That is like saying the Pittsburgh Steelers are better than Jacksonville this season.

I only like this statement because it ridicules the Steelers, which will drive maxblast up the wall. But in reality, our CBA was an enormous step forward, and brought us in line with other major carriers. Was it what it would have been if we hadn't had our leverage pulled out from under us by Southwest? No, we did have to give up on likely additional gains because of that.

The strike vote you brag about is the same strike vote taken at every airline during contract talks. It always passes by 98% and ALPA sends out some rah rah email saying "the company knows we mean business". I think ALPA drafted the letter in 1968.

I don't brag about it. I consider it a joke. The same pilots who voted 98% to go on strike and actually shut down their airline pissed their pants and folded like a cheap lawn chair just a few months later when there was virtually no chance that their airline would actually be shut down, just because Gary made some veiled non-credible threats.

My guess is GK called and said something like "wrap up the labor issues"... then we got a contract.

Really? That would be illegal. So you're saying that Gary is a criminal. I mean, I see worse things written on the bathroom wall in ATL, but still not very nice.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I only like this statement because it ridicules the Steelers, which will drive maxblast up the wall. But in reality, our CBA was an enormous step forward, and brought us in line with other major carriers. Was it what it would have been if we hadn't had our leverage pulled out from under us by Southwest? No, we did have to give up on likely additional gains because of that.

You know, I could be wrong, but from reading some of these comments over the past year, it almost seems like PCL doesn't like Maxblast or something.... Almost.

Ah..., I'm probably imagining this....

Bubba

 

[madjack]

"Was it what it would have been if we hadn't had our leverage pulled out from under us by Southwest?"

Whatever

 

[redflyer65]

"Was it what it would have been if we hadn't had our leverage pulled out from under us by Southwest?"

Whatever

Exactly!

 

[madjack]

Had a pro standards guy on the JS, and he had some interesting insights...

- back in the day of shorter upgrade time, most of the pro standard issues were with the CPs, but since "it is hard to hide your inner a-hole for 10+ years" the Pro-stan issues are 50-50 split between the seats...

- there was one fist fight between an FAT and a RSW FO, a while back...

- there have been issues with RSW flying with FAT...did not elaborate...

- His opinion: Company is waiting for the integration to be complete, and then will look to make an example of someone on the RSW and FAT side...right now the FATs have a longer rope than the RSWs...but that will change when the transition is complete.

Better play nice, just passing this along...

 

[waveflyer]

Sounds a little socialist to me. Not hatin, just sayin.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 2

Please.

What the hell do you think seniority is? If we're going to be loose with the term and all...?

 

[waveflyer]

You left out the lower pay scale GK would be using for the Q 400 in your math .

SWA would have more Q400 than 787s

Hypothetical as it is- you're right-
Lets say it gives us all $170/trip in my equation-
Still better than outsourcing- and I loved the turboprop flying I did- if it makes SWA money, ill fly the hell out of that thing

 

[waveflyer]

Did you not read my post?, I said you were correct. With that one pay scale that you champion at UPS (with the same pay for flying that tiny little 757), they still have pilots on furlough. You are quite an expert on UPS, a little trouble in paradise got you thinking about what brown can do for you if they hire again?

Nope.

You?

 

[Kharma Police]

Nope.

You?

No, I'm not down with brown.

 

[slaquer5]

Had a pro standards guy on the JS, and he had some interesting insights...

- back in the day of shorter upgrade time, most of the pro standard issues were with the CPs, but since "it is hard to hide your inner a-hole for 10+ years" the Pro-stan issues are 50-50 split between the seats...

- there was one fist fight between an FAT and a RSW FO, a while back...

- there have been issues with RSW flying with FAT...did not elaborate...

- His opinion: Company is waiting for the integration to be complete, and then will look to make an example of someone on the RSW and FAT side...right now the FATs have a longer rope than the RSWs...but that will change when the transition is complete.

Better play nice, just passing this along...

You might need to clarify for the rest of the industry about SWAPA Pro Stand.

They are a worthless paper tiger, that only protect the weak. Some on PS have been the biggest problem child

Look up worthless idiot in Websters . SWAPA pro standards will come up.

 

[Kharma Police]

Had a pro standards guy on the JS, and he had some interesting insights...

- back in the day of shorter upgrade time, most of the pro standard issues were with the CPs, but since "it is hard to hide your inner a-hole for 10+ years" the Pro-stan issues are 50-50 split between the seats...

- there was one fist fight between an FAT and a RSW FO, a while back...

- there have been issues with RSW flying with FAT...did not elaborate...

- His opinion: Company is waiting for the integration to be complete, and then will look to make an example of someone on the RSW and FAT side...right now the FATs have a longer rope than the RSWs...but that will change when the transition is complete.

Better play nice, just passing this along...

Ha! Ha!, I'm guessing it's the same guy who is taking pictures in men's bathrooms?!

Go back to using "Bob Dylan" as your screen name, way funnier, brah.....

 

[madjack]

just passing along info, the picture guy was former culture committee dude...I wasn't real smart on how the pro standards works, apparently the chief pilots nominate guys to the committee...they want folks they can work with...any way the idea is to intercede, and work out the issue with the parties involved and the chief pilot to avoid discipline...

 

[dicko]

SWAPA does not have the cojones to fight SWA. Sad but True. OH, OH, Metallica, nevermind, lost my thought. I am concerned and think SWAPA is way outplayed.

Dear Baked,

When I said this, Bubba threw his toys out of the pram and had a tamper tantrum. I just don't understand ...... Then he said I'd been "noted". Which sounds very ominous.

"You labeled me, I'll label you, so I dub thee unforgiven".

Cheers.

 

[dicko]

I have no idea what you're talking about
Seriously-
I'm not talking about changing anything about our current payscale or taking away rewards of being topped out or senior-
I'm just saying we set a rate for the widebody and combine it in with our 737 rates-
Lets just make math easy - we buy 50 787's- new rate $250 a trip- 700 737's at $200/trip= blended rate for all pilots of $203.33
(X-50*$250=$12,500; Y-700*$200=$140,000; $140k+$12.5k=$152,500/750 a/c= $203.33 tfp)
If we eventually get 300 wide bodies, then that's $215tfp

That's a cunning plan Wave. You've given everybody a 1.5% pay raise to stop a wide body rate for 50 aircraft. Then a 7% raise to run 300 wide bodies ?

You'll have the full support of somebody, that's for sure.