SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[madjack]

-9cpt, in other words SWAPA was not going to support AAI-ALPA and it's decisions regarding SLI negotiations...ALPA desired arbitration, SWAPA did not, the fact that SWAPA's goals were aligned with the company was fortuitous....

 

[madjack]

I agree SWAPA would never strike, but I believe the company valued our goodwill...

 

[-9Capt]

I'm confused 9Capt. Then why were MOST of the AirTran pilots overly excited about being purchased by Southwest?

Was it..

A- Getting SW pay and work rules vs. what you had?
B- Getting rid of your horrible management team?
C- Working for a more stable company with a long history of success?
D- All of the above.

E- none of the above


I can only speak for myself but I never applied to SW or had a desire to work there. I'll always believe that my seniority was stolen from me through lies and threats. The fact don't lie, GK however...

Anyway, I'm done with this for a while. Take it easy.

 

[madjack]

Quitter

 

[waveflyer]

How many AirTran pilots were stapled below them? I forget?

Well it took me 4 years AFTER I turned down air tran to get the SWA job so...not enough-

Sl9 was closer-

 

[PCL_128]

That's hilarious PCL.

So you would have liked more seniority AND to almost double your salary

After three years of this nonsense, you still aren't listening, red. I never cared about your pay rates, or the rest of your CBA, for that matter. I only cared about the seniority. I didn't feel entitled to anything that I didn't already have.

 

[waveflyer]

So why did you leave pinnacle for air tran PCL?

You had a lot more seniority there....

 

[PCL_128]

So why did you leave pinnacle for air tran PCL?

You had a lot more seniority there....

Primarily QOL issues. Being based at home means everything. Not to mention that there is next to zero job security when your airplanes have some other company's name painted on the side with the words "connection" or "link" appended.

 

[GoodTimes]

So AAI was your idea of job security?

 

[vixin]

So AAI was your idea of job security?

Yeah how did that work out for him? Now he will be gone. I bet if I set up an account for charity he would have donated all the extra money. Right!

 

[waveflyer]

Primarily QOL issues. Being based at home means everything. Not to mention that there is next to zero job security when your airplanes have some other company's name painted on the side with the words "connection" or "link" appended.

And that's it?

Money and contract aren't part of QOL?

SWA doesn't offer better job security than air tran?

Did you ever think that your contract demands and 95% strike vote led directly to you being sold?

Do you think your priorities are the priorities of most pilots?

 

[PCL_128]

And that's it?

Money and contract aren't part of QOL?

I was making $80k at Pinnacle, and living quite well. It wasn't about the money to me. I'm certainly not going to turn down money, and I'll always fight for improvements through pattern bargaining, but it wasn't the reason for my move.

As far as CBA, as I've told you repeatedly, I prefer my CBA over yours. Hell, most regionals have better reserve work rules than you do. Contracts aren't all about pay rates, which is all it seems that you care about.

SWA doesn't offer better job security than air tran?

If it does, then it's only marginally so, and even that's questionable. AirTran was growing and turning record profits consistently. SWA was stagnant, albeit still profitable. For job security, being at 92% on a combined seniority list isn't very reassuring.

Did you ever think that your contract demands and 95% strike vote led directly to you being sold?

Not a chance.

Do you think your priorities are the priorities of most pilots?

I don't claim to speak for anyone but me.

 

[texman]

I agree SWAPA would never strike, but I believe the company valued our goodwill...

FYI,

SWAPA did have a full up strike vote back in 1989.

 

[ngsp]

FYI,

SWAPA did have a full up strike vote back in 1989.

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

 

[intooclose]

there are 1700 "new" swapa pilots that i bet would cross a swapa picket line in a heartbeat. they feel no loyalty to swapa, so you can forget about any more strike threats going forward. it is just a byproduct of all the LUV we have felt.

I will NOT cross a SWAPA picket line if it ever comes to that. A-hole.

There is a personal code I try to live by:
Faith
Family
Fraternity

It has served me well over the years I don't intend to ever disregard them. You should think about things that are important to you and live by them. "Pride comes before the downfall."