SWA going against McCaskill Bond?

[Roomwithaview]

Kp

People get put on an ignore list when they become irrelevant. They become irrelevant when they can no longer discuss an issue without resorting to over-the-top comments and accusations. I got three on my list.

General Lee
OYS
Juan Juan

They brought nothing to the discussion but hyperbole and rhetoric. You used to be more reasonable and communicative. But, your recent foray into the fecal arts and the spur of the moment "fire, ready, aim" retorts that don't really add anything to the debate are growing weary. I can see why Bake has put you on ignore. I'm close as well. Take it FWIW.

You may not like what I have to say but I'm not wasting your time with idiotic posts about poop or saying the same thing over and over again. A lot of the trannies that are upset about the latest turn of events are coming off like spoiled children that don't think they are going to get to go to Chuck E. Cheese now because they pi$$ed off Mom and Dad.

Own it.

 

[Kharma Police]

People get put on an ignore list when they become irrelevant. They become irrelevant when they can no longer discuss an issue without resorting to over-the-top comments and accusations. I got three on my list.

General Lee
OYS
Juan Juan

They brought nothing to the discussion but hyperbole and rhetoric. You used to be more reasonable and communicative. But, your recent foray into the fecal arts and the spur of the moment "fire, ready, aim" retorts that don't really add anything to the debate are growing weary. I can see why Bake has put you on ignore. I'm close as well. Take it FWIW.

You may not like what I have to say but I'm not wasting your time with idiotic posts about poop or saying the same thing over and over again. A lot of the trannies that are upset about the latest turn of events are coming off like spoiled children that don't think they are going to get to go to Chuck E. Cheese now because they pi$$ed off Mom and Dad.

Own it.

You don't like what I have to say because you know in your mind I may be correct. If you want to ignore me, that's fine, I've already made my points which you can't ignore.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Kp

You don't like what I have to say because you know in your mind I may be correct. If you want to ignore me, that's fine, I've already made my points which you can't ignore.

Which part is it specifically that you are blathering about that you seem to think I "fear" and think you are "correct" about? You have been all over the map the last few days.

Can or will Kelly sell off some of the assets of Aitran? You seem to think he can't I think he can and will do whatever he wants.

You seem to think he's afraid of BM. I think he could give two $hit$ about it and has a workaround. You don't

You seem to think the process agreement some how protects you better than it protects swapa. I say nothing could be further from the truth. (so-we disagree)

You seem to think 1600 pilots at what equates to a regional somehow puts you on par with the largest domestic carrier in the free world. (who's smoking what now?)

You seem to think we fear arbitration. (I don't-I just don't think Mr. Kelly will let this place turn into another USAir/Cactii) You seem to think he's fine with that. I've worked for him for over fifteen years. You?

 

[Kharma Police]

Which part is it specifically that you are blathering about that you seem to think I "fear" and think you are "correct" about? You have been all over the map the last few days.

Can or will Kelly sell off some of the assets of Aitran? You seem to think he can't I think he can and will do whatever he wants.

You seem to think he's afraid of BM. I think he could give two $hit$ about it and has a workaround. You don't

You seem to think the process agreement some how protects you better than it protects swapa. I say nothing could be further from the truth. (so-we disagree)

You seem to think 1600 pilots at what equates to a regional somehow puts you on par with the largest domestic carrier in the free world. (who's smoking what now?)

You seem to think we fear arbitration. (I don't-I just don't think Mr. Kelly will let this place turn into another USAir/Cactii) You seem to think he's fine with that. I've worked for him for over fifteen years. You?

I will make this somewhat simplistic.

Any fair SLI agreement (in our eyes) either through mediation or arbitration will be unacceptable to SWAPA. Therefore, SWAPA will have a choice to either honor the agreement or say no to Gary when asked to do so by him. I believe SWAPA will say yes.

In my opinion, SWAPA made a colossal mistake by making promises to their pilots that they knew they might not be able to keep. An error in managing realistic expectations.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Kp

Really!

Any fair SLI agreement (in our eyes) either through mediation or arbitration will be unacceptable to SWAPA.

They already accepted one that was fair and equitable (to them-but not the membership) You guys turned it down. Sucks to be you. Should have taken that deal. Bet the majority of your membership wishes they had the chance to vote for it now. IMHO, the arby will not be as generous.

Therefore, SWAPA will have a choice to either honor the agreement or say no to Gary when asked to do so by him.

We have no more choice than ALPA to accept it or deny it. The only way swapa can deny it is by using nuclear options like USAPA used. Kelly on the other hand can sell you off and drain you down to nothing. Looks like that is already happening. He's eliminating your unproductive destinations, reducing your flying in and out of ATL and installing Real Southwest Pilots on routes that you used to fly while also increasing the service with Real Southwest Pilots. (how's that plan working for you so far?)

I believe SWAPA will say yes.

Yes to what? Reducing Airtran flying? Eliminating Airtran destinations and routes that are unproductive? Reducing Airtran exposure while increasing Southwest exposure? You bet we'll say, "Yes" to that!!

In my opinion, SWAPA made a colossal mistake by making promises to their pilots that they knew they might not be able to keep. An error in managing realistic expectations.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Alpa and the promises they've made to you.

 

[redflyer65]

Therefore, SWAPA will have a choice to either honor the agreement or say no to Gary when asked to do so by him.

This is the one statement that you have completely wrong. Gary is at the helm and SWAPA isn't. If Gary doesn't like the way this is going (and appearantly from his letter he's already leaning that way), he's going to do what he wants to protect Southwest Airlines and it's employees...of which, most are massive shareholders.

 

[Kharma Police]

Really!

They already accepted one that was fair and equitable (to them-but not the membership) You guys turned it down. Sucks to be you. Should have taken that deal. Bet the majority of your membership wishes they had the chance to vote for it now. IMHO, the arby will not be as generous.


We have no more choice than ALPA to accept it or deny it. The only way swapa can deny it is by using nuclear options like USAPA used. Kelly on the other hand can sell you off and drain you down to nothing. Looks like that is already happening. He's eliminating your unproductive destinations, reducing your flying in and out of ATL and installing Real Southwest Pilots on routes that you used to fly while also increasing the service with Real Southwest Pilots. (how's that plan working for you so far?)

Yes to what? Reducing Airtran flying? Eliminating Airtran destinations and routes that are unproductive? Reducing Airtran exposure while increasing Southwest exposure? You bet we'll say, "Yes" to that!!

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Alpa and the promises they've made to you.

You asked for my opinion and you got. Your opinion, laughably is more of the same arrogant, condescending minutia that makes me think of my ice cream. If I were you, the next time SWAPA has a meeting or another circle jerk rally in DAL, start asking questions about the points I've made and ask them if they have the guts to stand up to Gary.

 

[Kharma Police]

This is the one statement that you have completely wrong. Gary is at the helm and SWAPA isn't. If Gary doesn't like the way this is going (and appearantly from his letter he's already leaning that way), he's going to do what he wants to protect Southwest Airlines and it's employees...of which, most are massive shareholders.

That's actually a good thing. Listen to Gary and do what he says regardless of how upset you are.

 

[zippy32]

I will make this somewhat simplistic.

Any fair SLI agreement (in our eyes) either through mediation or arbitration will be unacceptable to SWAPA. Therefore, SWAPA will have a choice to either honor the agreement or say no to Gary when asked to do so by him. I believe SWAPA will say yes.

In my opinion, SWAPA made a colossal mistake by making promises to their pilots that they knew they might not be able to keep. An error in managing realistic expectations.

You are assuming that the outcome will definitely be "fair" to you. I think you assume too much.

 

[Kharma Police]

You are assuming that the outcome will definitely be "fair" to you. I think you assume too much.

True, in our opinion, no arbitrator would come up with a list as bad as the one presented.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Kp

You asked for my opinion and you got. Your opinion, laughably is more of the same arrogant, condescending minutia that makes me think of my ice cream. If I were you, the next time SWAPA has a meeting or another circle jerk rally in DAL, start asking questions about the points I've made and ask them if they have the guts to stand up to Gary.

And your fear belies the reality of the circumstance you're in.

After this is all over. I will still be a Real Southwest Captain. (hired not acquired) You, on the other hand, do not know what future holds for you.

I sleep comfortably at night knowing that reality. You? Not so much. Enjoy your ice cream. I understand it tastes better with tears.

 

[Kharma Police]

And your fear belies the reality of the circumstance you're in.

After this is all over. I will still be a Real Southwest Captain. (hired not acquired) You, on the other hand, do not know what future holds for you.

I sleep comfortably at night knowing that reality. You? Not so much. Enjoy your ice cream. I understand it tastes better with tears.

If being a Southwet pilot means being an arrogant, greedy, spiteful individual, I will happily keep my title as an AirTran pilot and sleep better knowing I'm not like you.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Kp

If being a Southwet pilot means being an arrogant, greedy, spiteful, racist, homophobe, then I will happily keep my title as an AirTran pilot.

Nice, you are really starting to unravel. I think we all know about the "direction of the debate" when it takes on your tone. Good luck with that. I think someone posted something about the depth of the respondent when he resorts to the tact you are taking.

Sleep tight tonight little one. Someday you may be able to wake up and know your future is secure. SL9 would have provided you with that security. Thanks again for voting it down. Pass or fail I'd still be at Southwest. You? Well, you can thank your MEC for that decision.

:erm: (just for you)

ps saw you thought better of your first post and edited it. Fire, Ready, Aim. Kind of like your negotiating strategy.

 

[Kharma Police]

Nice, you are really starting to unravel. I think we all know about the "direction of the debate" when it takes on your tone. Good luck with that. I think someone posted something about the depth of the respondent when he resorts to the tact you are taking.

Sleep tight tonight little one. Someday you may be able to wake up and know your future is secure. SL9 would have provided you with that security. Thanks again for voting it down. Pass or fail I'd still be at Southwest. You? Well, you can thank your MEC for that decision.

:erm: (just for you)

ps saw you thought better of your first post and edited it. Fire, Ready, Aim. Kind of like your negotiating strategy.

Yeah, I took it out because I know that Captain Taylor is much a better man than you now for being humiliated, humbled and knocked down a few pegs, so I decided not to insult him by comparing him to you. He learned his lesson, but don't worry, your turn will come too.

 

[luv2fly]

I find it funny how the AT guys are calling the SWA guys "greedy". You guys turned down 3billion dollars because it wasn't enough!