SWA culture!

[Ty Webb]

Correction Ty. Around the smoking lounge, YOUR name is the only one continually brought up. Unlike your ego leads you to believe, it's never very pleasant.

Thanks for your contribution on that subject. It's been saved, along with the others.

 

[GuppyWN]

I agree, Gup.

While we're talking math, simple math says that the Captains at each airline are going to have to vote "yes" in order to get a majority, and I don't know of any AAI Captains that are going to vote themselves out of a seat.

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

 

[Dash Power]

OK, refresh me.

What's the math of the pissed-off percentages with pure DOH?

Conservatively that would be at least 78%. I did not include any Airtran pilots.

All of the SWA pilots would be pissed-off. Including all of us "senior" Captains that would experience a very low bump in relative seniority. Family first.

 

[Dash Power]

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

Very easy to rationalize how this number is derived. Does it really need to be demonstrated?

 

[tico]

Mostly likely it will look like this: 92% of the existing swa cpts will be unaffected by position and seniority; 85% of the former at cpts will be unaffected by position but will lose seniority; the fo cut will put the last 6 years of former at fo's on the bottom followed by the last 4 years of swa fo's. 8% of swa cpts will see seniority loss but no position loss. 15% of former at cpts will see both seniority and position loss. The real impact will fall on the bottom former at cpts and the senior fo's at the former at and swa. So the former at cpts who lose seniority but not position will vote yes, the unnafected swa cpts will vote yes, the junior fo's at the former at and swa will vote yes. I see it passing somewhere in the 60/40 range. It would pass by a higher margin but you always have sympathy voters....hope all y'all can put it together...you will need everybody pulling on the same rope,in the same direction at the new swa to combat the storms brewing on the horizon....everyone at the new swa is better off than the rest of us....good hunting

 

[GuppyWN]

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

In Indian speak it means that winning the battle does not guarantee winning the war.

Allow me to think out loud for a moment. Say a deal takes Ty's seat away from him but keeps the top 25% of your Captains in their seat. Now you've got a simple majority of Airtran pilots that are willing to accept a deal that "harms" the bottom 75% of your Captains.

The wild card is NOT your Captains. The problem you have is convincing your FO's that this deal, in ANY way, harms them. That's a pretty big mountain for you to climb.

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

No one should lose their present position or relative seniority!

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

Very good analysis! This is why I believe it will be a staple, or no combination.

Take the staple trannies. Don't let the senior tranny captains ruin your careers because of their greed.

 

[GuppyWN]

Bob,

Even I think it's getting old.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

In Indian speak it means that winning the battle does not guarantee winning the war.

Allow me to think out loud for a moment. Say a deal takes Ty's seat away from him but keeps the top 25% of your Captains in their seat. Now you've got a simple majority of Airtran pilots that are willing to accept a deal that "harms" the bottom 75% of your Captains.

The wild card is NOT your Captains. The problem you have is convincing your FO's that this deal, in ANY way, harms them. That's a pretty big mountain for you to climb.

Gup

I see where ou're coming from. I think you might be surprised to find that our senior FO's have expectations, too, and will be looking carefully at what changes this SLI will mean for them.

I'm guessing you could make the same analysis with your pilot group, too. I don't want to make predictions, but there are segments and striations in all pilot groups.

Regards,
TW