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On Your Six said:
People who put me or the General on ignore just don't want to accept the truth. That's fine, but some people do want to hear about options that will help their future seniority. Arbitration will do that. There is NO WAY a negotiated agreement will be more fair than a non biased one from arbitrators, that have no stake in the outcome themselves. Seniority is forever, and you will get the Southwest pay from management anyways. SWAPA will not be losing one dime in this deal. Arbitration is smart. Do it.


OYS
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I suppose you think if you say it enough it's actually true or means something to someone.

Stay classy San Diego!
 
roughneck said:
I wouldn't bet on it. Many a slip between the cup and the lip.

I hope we never go down that road.
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Are you saying AT guys wont get SWA pay? Here we go again, another example of who you are dealing with. Reread the threats, and go for arbitration. Don't lose one spot if you don't have to.


OYS
 
scoreboardII said:
OYS overlooks the concept of winning the battle and losing the war. RE: USAIR.
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Parker at US doesn't seem to care, but GK does. GK wants this done and over with, and in today's Wall Street Journal article, he stated Southwest NEEDED Airtran for growth. Sounds like he is onboard.


OYS
 
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Empennage said:
I suppose you think if you say it enough it's actually true or means something to someone.

Stay classy San Diego!
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I think plenty of AT pilots read it and will ask questions to their union and make sure it is fair. That's all I ask for, and when it is over, I bet you will be saying "stay classy Gulfport."


OYS
 
OYS- why do you care?

Isn't it more likely you're I to sowing the seeds of discontent?
 
Don't feed the troll.

Both sides are looking for two things. Reasons to get along and reasons to rip each others throat out.

OYS loves to see us fight. Not that we won't but let's keep it between us - and not take the bait of some Rear(end) Admiral.

Gup
 
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On Your Six said:
Are you saying AT guys wont get SWA pay? Here we go again, another example of who you are dealing with. Reread the threats, and go for arbitration. Don't lose one spot if you don't have to.


OYS
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While a negotiated settlement would be in the cultural best interest of both pilot groups it is unlikely. The only way arbitration is avoided is if both sides believe that accepting the deal on the table is better than risk/reward potential in arbitration. Historically unlikely.

I also get that you and the General have an agenda here besides that you guys would like to see the SWAPA pilots get kicked in the balls just for grins. Your company would be much better off with a divided and disfunctional pilot group. Labor strife at the combined company is good for the two of you personally since we are now you biggest competitor in ATL. Suddenly I get why you can't and wont let this go.

Luv,
Ghetto
 
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GuppyWN said:
Don't feed the troll.

Both sides are looking for two things. Reasons to get along and reasons to rip each others throat out.

OYS loves to see us fight. Not that we won't but let's keep it between us - and not take the bait of some Rear(end) Admiral.

Gup
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Agreed!
 
scoreboardII said:
You're "Gary" the CEO.

You just a bought a company and don't want problems like USAIR.

You mean running two separate companies ? Costs a lot of money.They are either integrated or they cost us the synergies.

You see the labor negotiations going to arbitration with a labor force you just hired that voted overwelmingly to strike.

Different company and very different management. But you know that, don't you.

What does "Gary" do when the arbitration award comes out and see's a younger work force placed over his own employee's?

In any scenario, this will happen to some and not happen to others. From both groups. Everybody acts like a professional and moves on. Anything other than that causes the USAir situation that you alluded to.

It is in everyone's best interest to negotiate this deal, not arbitrate.

That's very true. However, not for the reasons you are implying.

Those of you thinking you'll be better off with arbitration need to review you're airlines history. "Winning" the arbitration could result in "Losing" the deal.
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Was your post constructive ? It's a thinly veiled threat directed at your fellow employees.
 
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dicko said:
Was your post constructive ? It's a thinly veiled threat directed at your fellow employees.
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Dicko -

Respectfully, your post is a thinly veiled threat at the sanctity of the very process itself.

Why not be optimistic about a negotiated, fair and equitable agreement?

Stay classy folks!
 
Empennage said:
Dicko -

Respectfully, your post is a thinly veiled threat at the sanctity of the very process itself.

Why not be optimistic about a negotiated, fair and equitable agreement?

Stay classy folks!
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The title of this thread should read....

... "short sighted views"

... "limited opinions"

... "destructive thinking"

... "manipulation of events"

... "hijacking of real events"

For the record I am hoping for an agreeable settlement sometime shortly. I'm still waiting for the "One Luv." Lanyard waiting to be worn.

I cannot understand why many of you want contentious, hate, destructive behavior. Optimism. Luv. Success. That is the name of the game.

Time to move forward. "It's a celebration bi---es!" "Welcome to the China Club"
 
Empennage said:
Dicko -

Respectfully, your post is a thinly veiled threat at the sanctity of the very process itself.

Why not be optimistic about a negotiated, fair and equitable agreement?

Stay classy folks!
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99% of the threats, chest-pounding and posturing are coming from one side, and it ain't Dicko's.
 
Ty Webb said:
99% of the threats, chest-pounding and posturing are coming from one side, and it ain't Dicko's.
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99% is coming from from individuals who work at neither airline. I'm woefully surprised, however, someone concisely pointed out the reason as to such.

So - again - to optimism.
 
GhettoBeechjet said:
While a negotiated settlement would be in the cultural best interest of both pilot groups it is unlikely. The only way arbitration is avoided is if both sides believe that accepting the deal on the table is better than risk/reward potential in arbitration. Historically unlikely.

I also get that you and the General have an agenda here besides that you guys would like to see the SWAPA pilots get kicked in the balls just for grins. Your company would be much better off with a divided and disfunctional pilot group. Labor strife at the combined company is good for the two of you personally since we are now you biggest competitor in ATL. Suddenly I get why you can't and wont let this go.

Luv,
Ghetto
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So, why again would getting a FAIR ruling divide your group? And, also why would this not be seen as bringing the groups together, as opposed to tearing them apart with the rhetoric spewing from plenty of SWA pilots on this board? I think most of the posts from me and even The General state for you to bring down the talk of stapling, and to just go for a fair deal for everyone. Does that sound like something to divide the group? Look around at every other recent merger. Did any of them not go to arbitration? Oh, you guys are DIFFERENT. That is your problem right there, you really aren't. Every group wants to get the best deal over the other group, which isn't fair. And I think Delta had dealt with Airtran fine over the last decade in ATL, and your costs are going up, not down, in ATL, while dumping first class. Sounds good to me.



OYS
 
Empennage said:
99% is coming from from individuals who work at neither airline. I'm woefully surprised, however, someone concisely pointed out the reason as to such.

So - again - to optimism.
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Again, you think that your group is "different", and you're not. A negotiated settlement is unlikely because each group has preconceived ideas on what SHOULD happen. Arbitrators are not biased, and will see the facts and make a fair ruling, without a stake in the outcome.


OYS
 
On Your Six said:
So true, but empanage wants you and Dicko to focus your frustration on me and The General instead. I just think it should be fair for everyone.



OYS
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So shortsighted and simply destructive.

Seriously the negativity and rhetoric is not only senseless but also completely misleading and inaccurate.

Working together. What an idea. What a thought. How could we actually want such success? I have no idea.
 
On Your Six said:
People who put me or the General on ignore just don't want to accept the truth.
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Actually, the opposite is the truth.

Those that ignore you HAVE accepted the truth that you (and your alter ego GLeek) are a troll, and add nothing constructive to this (or any other) topic, that doesn't even affect you. Get a job, move out of mom's house, find a girlfriend, some hobbies etc. and leave the adults alone.
 
Empennage said:
So shortsighted and simply destructive.

Seriously the negativity and rhetoric is not only senseless but also completely misleading and inaccurate.

Working together. What an idea. What a thought. How could we actually want such success? I have no idea.
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So, every other group was different? Each group started the same way you have, and it ALWAYS lead to arbitration. Just cut to the chase and get on with it. That way, less rhetoric will come out, and you can blame arbitrators later if unhappy, not each other. It would be great if you could do it, but it is unlikely, sorry.


OYS
 
On Your Six said:
Again, you think that your group is "different", and you're not. A negotiated settlement is unlikely because each group has preconceived ideas on what SHOULD happen. Arbitrators are not biased, and will see the facts and make a fair ruling, without a stake in the outcome.


OYS
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Again, is it becoming true yet?
 
Tripower455 said:
Actually, the opposite is the truth.

Those that ignore you HAVE accepted the truth that you (and your alter ego GLeek) are a troll, and add nothing constructive to this (or any other) topic, that doesn't even affect you. Get a job, move out of mom's house, find a girlfriend, some hobbies etc. and leave the adults alone.
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You're nervous, which is understandable. I don't speak for The General, but it seems he and I just want fairness for you guys. If you're against getting a fair SLI, then it all makes sense.


OYS
 

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