SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[carl p]

Like a wise man once said, "can't we all just get along"...


Maybe we should get Rodney to help negotiate the list?

 

[On Your Six]

Like a wise man once said, "can't we all just get along"...


Maybe we should get Rodney to help negotiate the list?

If you accept what SWAPA offers you, then yes, yes you can get along and maybe mingle, except on holidays and weekends, when you AT guys will be the only ones working.


OYS

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

I'm confused about you saying SWAPA and ALPA will come up with the new 717 rate. Did I miss something?

It's in the process agreement, Section 2.

As part of SLI talks, once an agreement has been reached, both unions form an "implementation committee" made up of people from each MC/NC team to work with both companies to transition the AAI contract onto Southwest scheduling and work rules, pay, and other compensation items.

From how it's been explained to me, AAI ALPA will work with Southwest Management with SWAPA as an advisor on modifying our CBA to make it possible to schedule our pilots with the efficiency SWA's schedules yours. This, combined with increased ticket prices (ours are usually lower than yours in like markets) will bring our revenue stream up to where the bag fees can be eliminated per SWA policy and also allow our pilots to transition to the TFP methodology of pay, and in changing to a TFP scheme, a rate must be agreed to for the time period between this and when the SLI is implemented and we all go to the SWA pay rate.

These changes will be done by ALPA side letter and must be ratified by the AAI pilot group per our ALPA local policy manual and bylaws. Some things don't require MemRat, but LOA's changing pay and work rules do. The only way to remove MemRate requirement is, again, to put its removal to a majority vote (and I guarantee you that such a proposal would die rather noisily). A simple MEC vote isn't sufficient to remove MemRat from the Policy Manual and bylaws.

As for LONG-TERM SWA 717 rates, of course SWAPA will work with SWA negotiating a pay rate for the 717 for the COMBINED pilot group moving forward; AAI ALPA will be an advisor in these talks, just as SWAPA was an advisor with the above changes, but the agreement will be between SWA and SWAPA.

Hope that makes more sense and again, this is how it was explained to me, so I might have lost something in translation, but it jives with the Process Agreement verbiage so I think the basics of it are correct.

 

[SWA/FO]

OY6 - is high.

As far as SLI, they (Trannies) get to vote. If it passes then it passes. Also SWAPA members get to vote. This is the quickest path for Trannies to get paid sooner, then later.

 

[Kharma Police]

OY6 - is high.

As far as SLI, they (Trannies) get to vote. If it passes then it passes. Also SWAPA members get to vote. This is the quickest path for Trannies to get paid sooner, then later.

The truth

 

[B727Driver]

OY6 is high or the SLI or both?

 

[Bake]

OY6 - is high.

As far as SLI, they (Trannies) get to vote. If it passes then it passes. Also SWAPA members get to vote. This is the quickest path for Trannies to get paid sooner, then later.

And, I believe this is how we ALL want it to go down. Please let us all come to a mutual agreement. Amen.

 

[texman]

Thanks for the reply lear. Yall this is in the hands of GK and we just need to wait and see.

 

[SWA/FO]

If you accept what SWAPA offers you, then yes, yes you can get along and maybe mingle, except on holidays and weekends, when you AT guys will be the only ones working.

....says the tool (on the end of Delta's list,) who works this exact schedule at DAL.....

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

As for LONG-TERM SWA 717 rates, of course SWAPA will work with SWA negotiating a pay rate for the 717 for the COMBINED pilot group moving forward.

Lear, long term pay rates will be the same to 737 classic fleets and -700/-800. Our -500 rates pay the same as the -800 rates. The 717 will have a similar configuration to our -500s. You heard it here first.

 

[Skyboy722]

That's great. Thanks for playing. Thanks, too for the ip addresses you guys left while visiting my profile and websites. . .

So it really is you then? I wouldn't have believed a rumor on a forum, but thanks for confirming!

 

[PCL_128]

Really PCL? Does the following update from your NC look familiar? This was part of your Sept 25, 2010, eWeekly. It was sent out PRIOR TO the announcement of the acquisition. It sure sounds like more than compensation, insurance and bonus. The open items in your negotiation were LITERALLY EVERYTHING that cost money.

That update says basically the same thing that I had said, just using more words. Things like rigs and minimum guarantee are included in compensation. There were very few items left on the table on September 27th.

A simple MEC vote isn't sufficient to remove MemRat from the Policy Manual and bylaws.

Actually, it is. The NPA Bylaws were a different story, but an MEC vote is sufficient to change MEMRAT.

 

[Lonestar]

That update says basically the same thing that I had said, just using more words. Things like rigs and minimum guarantee are included in compensation. There were very few items left on the table on September 27th.

Thanks for the clarification. I think I get it now. Y'all had already wrapped up the dicey issues such as training, leave of absence, longevity, seniority, etc. Basically the big stuff. All that remained was any section that would cost mgmt additional money. Basically the little stuff. Got it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Uh, yeah.18 sections out of 20-something. 90%. Of course, compensation was a big one.

 

[On Your Six]

....says the tool (on the end of Delta's list,) who works this exact schedule at DAL.....

Thanks to scheduled retirements via age 65, my stay at the end of the list will be very short compared to ANYONE junior at the new Southwest. Good ole GUP stated that your scheduled retirements unless your Capts go for age 70, will be a slow 150 or so a year. Not at the legacies, with DL losing 2000 Capts in the next 5 years, and 4000 in the next 10 years. So, on average, how young is that AT group? Redflyer will be very junior for YEARS after this SLI.


OYS

 

[Beechdriver32]

OY6

You are right and and are much better off where you are.

I am very envious of you. Because you are so very smart and provide such such awesome information and insight. And because you have the very best job in the industry.

Does that make you feel better?

BD32

 

[GuppyWN]

Thanks to scheduled retirements via age 65, my stay at the end of the list will be very short compared to ANYONE junior at the new Southwest. Good ole GUP stated that your scheduled retirements unless your Capts go for age 70, will be a slow 150 or so a year. Not at the legacies, with DL losing 2000 Capts in the next 5 years, and 4000 in the next 10 years. So, on average, how young is that AT group? Redflyer will be very junior for YEARS after this SLI.


OYS

Gary has said we could need 1,000 extra pilots after the deal is done - domestically. Sooner or later we're going international. This airline is still in it's infancy in some respects.

How many pilots GROWTH is Mother forecasting?

Gup

 

[texman]

Gup, I think Delta will shrink domestically so will United.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

UH oh, You've done it now....the general in 3,2,1...

KBB

 

[redflyer65]

Gary has said we could need 1,000 extra pilots after the deal is done - domestically. Sooner or later we're going international. This airline is still in it's infancy in some respects.

How many pilots GROWTH is Mother forecasting?

Gup

Gup has it exactly right.

Being at Southwest now is like being hired at Delta before they went internationally. This isn't rocket science.