SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[shagadelic]

GK does not want this to go to arbitration. He wants a negotiated list (one big happy family). If it does go to arbitration, then all bets are off.

That is exactly right.

 

[On Your Six]

Wow. Been off here for a few days and took me an hour to catch up! Good entertainment boys. My money's on a negotiated settlement. Let's get this party started.

Of course you are hoping for the AT pilots to sign off on your own "generosity", even though the money is coming from management. You guys aren't losing a dime. If all other recent mergers are precedent, I see arbitration in your future, because both sides don't see the same outcome. They just don't. GK wants this merger done, and he isn't asking for SWAPA's approval here. Sure, he wants peace, but that won't come easy, in any merger. Fair is best.


OYS

 

[shagadelic]

I remember the new-hire breakfast with Herb and Colleen. They were adamant that we would never buy another company because of the culture problems and perceived ungratefulness of some of the Morris pilots, especially the ones who sued. It's not Herb and Colleen anymore, but the culture is still very much front and center on everyone's mind. That is why a negotiated settlement is so important for them.

 

[humveedriver]

Still missing the point:

Notice how I said WN and not SWAPA? We will have a list...come H**L or HIGH WATER (whether it be negotiated or arbitrated. That's a given. However, that list does not ever have to be implemented if its arbitrated (and) WN decides to go the "Road less Traveled".

I don't think that was unintentional.

If it goes to arbitration, the following section applies:

" 6(g) The Final Award shall be final and binding on the Parties to this agreement, on their succesor and assigns, and on the pilots employed by the companies and their affiliates. The Final Award shall include the date on which the Integrated Master Seniority List will become effective, which will be a either a date agreed upon by the parties, or if they do not agree, a date determined by the Panel. The date determined by the Panel shall not be earlier than the later of:

i. The date a single collective bargaining represntative is recognized as the sole bargaining agent for the combined craft and class, in accodance with the RLA; and

ii. The issuance date of an FAA Single Operating Certificate, provided that Southwest and AirTran make reasonable, good faith, and expiditious efforts to secure the Single Operating Certificate."

I'm pulling for a negotiated ISL. I think that is the first step in preserving the SWA culture and bringing the AT pilots into the fold. But I'm not following your point Lonestar. I think there is language that provides an end game.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Of course you are hoping for the AT pilots to sign off on your own "generosity", even though the money is coming from management. You guys aren't losing a dime. If all other recent mergers are precedent, I see arbitration in your future, because both sides don't see the same outcome. They just don't. GK wants this merger done, and he isn't asking for SWAPA's approval here. Sure, he wants peace, but that won't come easy, in any merger. Fair is best.


OYS

The General is silent but there is another equally irrelevant DAL guy espousing the same views. Riiiiiight...
STREAKER!!!!

 

[Cometman]

Because I have a different opinion and can articulate it, I "bring it on myself", and that justifies publishing my name and making threats against me in an anonymous and cowardly manner. . . is that what you're saying?

Grow up. This is all a game. An remember, the solution to this problem is the problem. If you cannot take it then get out of the game and quit crying. If it really bothers you try getting a new name and start over. This will be old news next year and nobody will remember it. Or just read and do not post. That will work also.

 

[scoreboardII]

in an anonymous and cowardly manner

Oh, the irony.

 

[SWA/CA]

I see arbitration in your future

I don't. :cartman: Thanks for playing..... Next Delta guy you're up! :crying:

 

[Lear70]

Yep, you're right... 6(a) was signed off on by all parties involved. I just wonder how much water that paragraph will hold if there are any "debilitating circumstances" pop up.

Good question.

I'm not trying to be a jerk (although I'm sure that I am coming off as one to some),

Not at all (and I hope I don't, either but probably do even though it's not intended). We're all a little passionate about the subject... probably something about having a little at stake or something like that.

but I just don't think that everyone understands the importance of this document: GK does not want this to go to arbitration. He wants a negotiated list (one big happy family). If it does go to arbitration, then all bets are off.

I'm sure he does, as do all of us. Infinitely better to come up with something we can all live with, no doubt about that. :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

Oh, the irony.

Yes, those who wish to name names while remaining anonymous themselves are cowards.

 

[SWA/CA]

We're all a little passionate about the subject...

yeah. you can say that again!

We're all a little passionate about the subject...

 

[SWA/CA]

Yes, those who wish to name names while remaining anonymous themselves are cowards.

I think remaining anonymous is the way to go. Much like blending in, fade to black...changing color etc.. :erm:

 

[Ty Webb]

Grow up. This is all a game.

That's great. Thanks for playing. Thanks, too for the ip addresses you guys left while visiting my profile and websites. . . Especially you guys in Spring, Temple, San Antonio, Murfreesboro, Dothan, and the layover crews in the Birmingham, Houston, and Jacksonville, hotels. Dallas, and, of course, San Antonio . . . . who could forget San Antonio? :laugh:

 

[SWA/CA]

Looks like old Ty is back! Welcome back!

 

[redflyer65]

And, your rates were piggybacked off of DAL pre-BK, and UAL before that.

OYS

You've got to be kidding me.

How about the truth? A great management team at Southwest that can sustain good pay and QOL for all employees (over 39 consecutive years) or...

DL/NW that has outsource as much as possible and ran their companies into the ground requiring bankruptcy, because they had a horrible business model built on debt. Pass the bong OYS the sky in your world must not be blue.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't. :cartman: Thanks for playing..... Next Delta guy you're up! :crying:

So, you're afraid of arbitrators putting Ty ahead of you on the list? Got it. Allowing people who have no stake in the matter to decide what is actually fair is not acceptable to you. Well, ok then. AT guys, take notice.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

You've got to be kidding me.

How about the truth? A great management team at Southwest that can sustain good pay and QOL for all employees (over 39 consecutive years) or...

DL/NW that has outsource as much as possible and ran their companies into the ground requiring bankruptcy, because they had a horrible business model built on debt. Pass the bong OYS the sky in your world must not be blue.

You had the same management (Herb) up until GK, and he paid you a lot worse than UAL/DAL rates before the DAL/UAL BKs. That's why guys left the left seat at SWA to go to UAL, some were in my class there. The higher rates at UAL and DAL undoubtably helped your cause. Your current profitability has kept it there, but we helped you place it there. You sound like you have it wrong. And, thanks to you keeping it there, we will get back there too, and then your junior guys thanks to the AT merger will again flock this way. After your SLI, even you may consider it.


OYS

 

[redflyer65]

Nice try. 39 years of profitability, versus well...not.

Good luck raising your rates. I hope you can. It will be tough when Anderson comes asking for concessions because of high oil and attempting to operate NINE fleet types.

 

[GoodTimes]

So let me see if I can get this straight. OYS is going on 12, maybe 13 years in this business. He's played for not one, but two bankrupt carriers where I'm guessing he's hovered around the bottom 20% the entire time. No easy feat, OYS. Well played. The old adage 'consider the source' comes to mind when your wisdom hits these boards.

 

[redflyer65]

Lear,

I'm confused about you saying SWAPA and ALPA will come up with the new 717 rate. Did I miss something?