SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[On Your Six]

All legacy carriers and all but one ALPA. To make matters worse, you allowed them on the property. I haven’t seen a SWA RJ yet, don’t think I will.

But you were going to allow Volaris and Westjet to fly your INTL routes prior to doing the AT merger. And AT uses RJs now in MKE. That probably won't happen when you finalize the merger, but you haven't been perfect. I think high oil prices will continue to take care of this problem anyway, especially with 50 seat RJs. More than 100 50 seaters will leave DCI this year alone. Comair will have 44 total planes by XMAS. That's good.


OYS

 

[livintheredream]

Oh man, you sound like such a female hygiene product trying to be one of 'da boyz now. Gag me.

Everyone knows a tiger doesn't change his stripes.

Meow. Here kitty kitty.

TOOL as always!!

 

[SWA/FO]

But you were going to allow Volaris and Westjet to fly your INTL routes prior to doing

the AT merger. And AT uses RJs now in MKE. That probably won't happen when you finalize the merger, but you haven't been perfect. I think high oil prices will continue to take care of this problem anyway, especially with 50 seat RJs. More than 100 50 seaters will leave DCI this year alone. Comair will have 44 total planes by XMAS. That's good.

Except we can't tell Tranny what to do, cus we don't own them, dumb***. Thats good about Comair - UNLESS you work there!

 

[On Your Six]

But you were going to allow Volaris and Westjet to fly your INTL routes prior to doing

Except we can't tell Tranny what to do, cus we don't own them, dumb***. Thats good about Comair - UNLESS you work there!

LESS RJs ARE GOOD, PERIOD. And, keep that statement in mind when negotiating for your SLI, the "WE CAN'T TELL TRANNY WHAT TO DO, CUS WE DON'T OWN THEM." SWAPA does NOT own them. Your management will after the merger is complete, but SWAPA isn't losing a dime, and AT pilots don't owe you guys anything. Take the SLI to arbitration, and someone outside the box will figure out what is fair. Thanks for making my point. YOU DON'T OWN THE TRANNIES.


OYS

 

[slaquer5]

But you were going to allow Volaris and Westjet to fly your INTL routes prior to doing the AT merger. And AT uses RJs now in MKE.


OYS

Speaking of Westjet what ever happened with them. Are they code sharing ( taking away flying) from any OTHER AIRLINE, now that it is not SWA?

 

[GoodTimes]

I'll take Delta Airlines for 1000 please Slaq.

 

[GuppyWN]

But you were going to allow Volaris and Westjet to fly your INTL routes prior to doing the AT merger. And AT uses RJs now in MKE. That probably won't happen when you finalize the merger, but you haven't been perfect. I think high oil prices will continue to take care of this problem anyway, especially with 50 seat RJs. More than 100 50 seaters will leave DCI this year alone. Comair will have 44 total planes by XMAS. That's good.


OYS

Earth to dumbass! Come in dumbass!

WestJet and WN ended their agreement earlier this year. The next week WestJet signed a codeshare agreement with Delta.

Way to keep up! I can SO see you as a United pilot! LOL!

Gup

 

[koko nw]

"WE CAN'T TELL TRANNY WHAT TO DO, CUS WE DON'T OWN THEM." SWAPA does NOT own them. Your management will after the merger is complete, but SWAPA isn't losing a dime, and AT pilots don't owe you guys anything. Take the SLI to arbitration, and someone outside the box will figure out what is fair. Thanks for making my point. YOU DON'T OWN THE TRANNIES.


OYS[/QUOTE]

OYS were you there in 98/99 when UAL talked about acquiring America West?
If you insert UAL for SWA in your above statement, would you have the same sentiment towards America West pilots coming over??? You know immediate pay raises, quality of life, or would you say UAL owns them and UAL's MEC and pilots have no say??? Yea I thought so.

Dude, happy your at the Big D, and away from this basket case of a company. I'd thought after being with UAL you would have learned to count your blessings and not play the whose appendage is bigger game, trust me you'll lose.

Frats

Koko

 

[On Your Six]

Earth to dumbass! Come in dumbass!

WestJet and WN ended their agreement earlier this year. The next week WestJet signed a codeshare agreement with Delta.

Way to keep up! I can SO see you as a United pilot! LOL!

Gup

Really? Don't you guys still fly 737-200s and 727s? You don't? I think everyone knows that. My point WAS that your contract was not perfect, and you HAD some scope issues BEFORE that weren't great. Got it yet Sherlock? Good. And I am thrilled to NOT be at United. Thanks.


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

My codeshare is smaller than yours.

Gup

 

[On Your Six]

"WE CAN'T TELL TRANNY WHAT TO DO, CUS WE DON'T OWN THEM." SWAPA does NOT own them. Your management will after the merger is complete, but SWAPA isn't losing a dime, and AT pilots don't owe you guys anything. Take the SLI to arbitration, and someone outside the box will figure out what is fair. Thanks for making my point. YOU DON'T OWN THE TRANNIES.


OYS

OYS were you there in 98/99 when UAL talked about acquiring America West?
If you insert UAL for SWA in your above statement, would you have the same sentiment towards America West pilots coming over??? You know immediate pay raises, quality of life, or would you say UAL owns them and UAL's MEC and pilots have no say??? Yea I thought so


Dude, happy your at the Big D, and away from this basket case of a company. I'd thought after being with UAL you would have learned to count your blessings and not play the whose appendage is bigger game, trust me you'll lose.
Frats

Koko[/QUOTE]]


No, came in after that, prior to 9-11. I don't think any group should treat the other that way, including the current apparent attitude towards the AT guys. And I am happy about my current situation.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

My codeshare is smaller than yours.

Gup

So are your future retirement numbers.

OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

Yeah OY6 - we are not at the bottom of the list = like you are at Delta. :laugh:

 

[koko nw]

No, came in after that, prior to 9-11. I don't think any group should treat the other that way, including the current apparent attitude towards the AT guys. And I am happy about my current situation.



OYS[/QUOTE]

In what way is SWAPA or SWA pilots treating AirTran pilots that leads you to think that way? Protecting their pilots and personal self interests?

If the tables had been turned and Delta "merged" with AirTran, you can honestly look in the mirror and say you'd wouldn't be having the same apprehensions as SWA Guy's?Girls?

I'm though, take care, all the best and good luck.

Peace
Koko

 

[GoodTimes]

OYS,

Came to UAL pre 9-11? Then you'll remember the UsAir deal, right? How about the famous line about those guys wanting their 400 manuals? Remember how that felt? Tell me you had no problem with those guys spouting off about DOH, etc... Your going on and on about how unfair the SWA pilots are being, but circa 2000 you were in the same friggin boat! SWA pilots are looking to protect their interests just like you were looking to do back in the day.

 

[On Your Six]

OYS,

Came to UAL pre 9-11? Then you'll remember the UsAir deal, right? How about the famous line about those guys wanting their 400 manuals? Remember how that felt? Tell me you had no problem with those guys spouting off about DOH, etc... Your going on and on about how unfair the SWA pilots are being, but circa 2000 you were in the same friggin boat!

I think that was going on when I was doing 737 initial, so I was mostly thinking about limitations and sim rides. I was trying to focus on passing. I honestly don't remember much about that USAir stuff. Sorry to dissapoint you.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

No, came in after that, prior to 9-11. I don't think any group should treat the other that way, including the current apparent attitude towards the AT guys. And I am happy about my current situation.



OYS

In what way is SWAPA or SWA pilots treating AirTran pilots that leads you to think that way? Protecting their pilots and personal self interests?

If the tables had been turned and Delta "merged" with AirTran, you can honestly look in the mirror and say you'd wouldn't be having the same apprehensions as SWA Guy's?Girls?

I'm though, take care, all the best and good luck.

Peace
Koko[/QUOTE]


Most people get a little ruffled in mergers, and SLIs can hurt feelings. But, continued put downs and outlandish claims like "we're giving you this and that, and you should accept our offer" even though the offer is really from management is different. If you really think you deserve this and that, and can back it up, take it to arbitration. Your confidence will ultimately prevail, right? That is the problem here. The outlandish slams that should just be solved by a neutral determining the actual fair deal or list. Everyone on one side seems scared of that....Why is that? Arbitration should be mandatory for all merger lists, including UAL/CAL. Just get it over with. Good luck to you too.



OYS

 

[GoodTimes]

Not buying it OYS. That crap went on for more than six months and I don't remember meeting one person on the line that wasn't seeing red. I'm sure you included.

 

[On Your Six]

Yeah OY6 - we are not at the bottom of the list = like you are at Delta. :laugh:

You may be closer after your SLI. Your rise in your list is tied to fewer retirements, and younger AT pilots. That is called stagnation. Certain other airlines have huge numbers of retirements, with senior guys leaving, creating more than 20 upwards movements per retirement. That's good.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Not buying it OYS. That crap went on for more than six months and I don't remember meeting one person on the line that wasn't seeing red. I'm sure you included.

I was more concerned with passing, finding a crashpad, etc. And, I thought "I made it!!!". Well, that was taken away after 9-11.


OYS