SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[SWA/CA]

I haven't seen any AirTran pilot here claiming to be a union official.

You are PCL 128.

 

[humveedriver]

Ty you're really just pissed off cause Crash Pad is about 2000 times funnier than you are. His posts add levity to a situation that isn't going to be decided on this message board or any other message boards. YOUR posts are the more damaging ones by making AirTran pilots look like they are on raiding party ( and it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for everyone). I get it. We don't want to give a public appearance that we as a group would settle for less. That it could be used against us. How bout you send Crash a PM next time and stop acting so butt hurt.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Hmmm.

Southwest Airlines Co. (Southwest) is a passenger airline that provides scheduled air transportation in the United States. As of December 31, 2010, the Company had 548 Boeing 737 aircraft serving 69 cities in 35 states throughout the United States. The Company provides point-to-point, rather than hub-and-spoke, service. During the year ended December 31, 2010, approximately 73% of the Company’s Customers flew non-stop, and the Company’s average aircraft trip stage length was 648 miles with an average duration of approximately 1.8 hours. As of December 31, 2010, the Company served 460 non-stop city pairs. On September 26, 2010, the Company entered into a merger agreement providing for the Company’s acquisition of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (AirTran). In November 2010, the Company terminated its agreement with WestJet to offer connecting service between the United States and Canada.

What MERGER?

He is an FO that makes a lot more money then the Delta dude he was calling out, and probably you too. I doubt he is an FO still or in that case much longer.

I hope he does. It will give us a target for section 6. Would you like to compare luvs rates, retirements, workrules etc. vs. the rest of the Majors from its inception (1973-ch11 contracts)? Truthfully, I am thrilled that y'all are finally at an decent rate vs. slightly better than a non-sched or good commuter. Our managements won't be able to use your pay and workrules as an excuse anymore.

 

[Uppercrust]

Ty you're really just pissed off cause Crash Pad is about 2000 times funnier than you are. . How bout you send Crash a PM next time and stop acting so butt hurt.

There is no acting here from him since it really does hurt from getting ........:laugh::laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

We also know Ty, that you want everything (cus you deserve everything) We know you are looking forward to the arbitrators’ hearing the case.

That's not true. Like I have said, I don't know what I think is fair, because all the information is not in yet. Regardless of what I think we deserve, I support the Merger Committees and I hope they can come to a mutually agreeable SLI,

Raiding Party? GMAFB. I didn't ask for this merger, I would be fine without it. You assclowns who are falling all over yourselves because you didn't get hired and now want a second bite of the apple are the real embarrassment here. Thank God there are only a few of you.

 

[SWA/CA]

Would you like to compare luvs rates, retirements, workrules etc. vs. the rest of the Majors from its inception (1973-ch11 contracts)?

No we will just compare, now, today. Not bad, I'd say!

 

[slaquer5]

That's not true. Like I have said, I don't know what I think is fair, because all the information is not in yet. Regardless of what I think we deserve, I support the Merger Committees and I hope they can come to a mutually agreeable SLI,

Raiding Party? GMAFB. I didn't ask for this merger, I would be fine without it. You assclowns who are falling all over yourselves because you didn't get hired and now want a second bite of the apple are the real embarrassment here. Thank God there are only a few of you.

It seems that no matter the out come you want to burn the SWA house down. No need to reply as this is fact.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Not bad/but not great Today.. Let's hope y'all can hang on to those and we can improve in 2012 :beer:

No we will just compare, now, today. Not bad, I'd say!

 

[Ty Webb]

It seems that no matter the out come you want to burn the SWA house down. No need to reply as this is fact.

You're out of your mind. Maybe Uppercrust knocked your head against the headboard a little too hard last night. :laugh:

 

[sfomarc]

Raiding Party? GMAFB. I didn't ask for this merger, I would be fine without it.

Would you be fine going back to your pay rates prior to the acquisition announcement as well?

 

[Ty Webb]

Would you be fine going back to your pay rates prior to the acquisition announcement as well?

You mean the whopping 8% raise I got?

You (and others) don't seem to understand that we were on track to much larger gains before the merger was announced. . . . . but I realize this doesn't help you justify your argument.

 

[Lear70]

Would you be fine going back to your pay rates prior to the acquisition announcement as well?

That's the 2nd time I've heard that idea alluded to. I don't know where it's coming from, but it's absolutely false.

There's nothing in the Process Agreement, the Purchase Agreement between Southwest and AirTran, our new CBA, OR the Railway Labor Act that allows for those pay rates (or any other part of our contract) to be retracted or rescinded.

Whoever's propagating that rumor needs to quote some hard and fast language in one of those documents or figure out a new rumor of the day. Right now the VAST MAJORITY of AAI pilots I speak to are pretty open about what they may consider "fair". Start spreading false rumors and fear, and you're likely to get those people to dig their feet in and be less willing to find some type of "middle ground".

It's like any other kind of negotiation, you p*ss off one side, and the negotiation pretty much ends, even if it hurts one side or the other. Not a good idea IMHO. Too many people here have spent far too many years under hostile working conditions to respond well to more fear and intimidation.

Just a thought...

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

You (and others) don't seem to understand that we were on track to much larger gains before the merger was announced. . . . . but I realize this doesn't help you justify your argument.

Got any proof to justify your statement?

How many turned down TA's? No to very little progress at all, then the acquisition is announced and all the sudden a TA pops up out of nowhere. Would be interested to hear your proof, because this is the first I have heard of it.

 

[SWA/CA]

It's like any other kind of negotiation, you p*ss off one side, and the negotiation pretty much ends, even if it hurts one side or the other. Not a good idea IMHO.

Understandable... that goes for both sides.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Actually, Bob Fornano has stated that Airtran was pretty much done growing. To much debt. I know, I know he was just talking out his ass. If both groups are honest with their feelings of what is fair this will work out.

 

[Ty Webb]

Got any proof to justify your statement?

How many turned down TA's? No to very little progress at all, then the acquisition is announced and all the sudden a TA pops up out of nowhere. Would be interested to hear your proof, because this is the first I have heard of it.

This was covered on here extensively, do a search. Nearly every section was TA'd already except for Pay and one other. The Alaska and Hawaiian Contracts had recently been signed, with good gains by both groups, and our proposed rates were in line with those. Oil was way down, and profits were up, and the Company could easily afford what were were asking for. We were close to being released by the NMB, which would be the first time in the whole 6 year process that we would have had the leverage.

Instead, the merger was announced, and the NMB said there was no way we would be released with a merger pending. No release = no leverage.

So, after 6 years, I got an 8% increase . . . . yeah, we got a Contract, but not the kind of Contract we would have gotten if we had been released by the NMB.

BTW, TA2 had higher rates for some seat/longevity than the Contract we finally got. Thanks for the #&^#% gumball, Mickey! :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually, Bob Fornano has stated that Airtran was pretty much done growing. To much debt. I know, I know he was just talking out his ass. If both groups are honest with their feelings of what is fair this will work out.

I had to check the time/date stamp on this post. What is this, October 2010? All this stuff has been covered in the early months of the merger announcement. AirTran was hiring and taking new deliveries. SWA only had airframe replacements pending and hadn't hired a pilot since George W. was in office. AirTran had also just reported it's most profitable year on record . . . You be the judge of who was growing and who wasn't.

This is just stupid. It's a beautiful beach day, and I'm wasting my time here. Have fun, y'all.

 

[Lear70]

Understandable... that goes for both sides.

Absolutely, respect is most definitely a two-way street.

The AirTran pilots by and large recognize the potential for a highly-improved quality of life with the Southwest merger/acquisition, and you will find that the vast majority of us are just ready to see what the Merger Committee brings us and truck on down the road...

 

[SWA/CA]

SWA only had airframe replacements pending and hadn't hired a pilot since George W. was in office.

He was only in office for 8 long years. Thats a lot of hiring baby!!! Plus, SWA was saving money to buy Tranny!

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[FlyinGuy]

. . . . yeah, we got a Contract, but not the kind of Contract we would have gotten if we had been released by the NMB.

Not going to try and disagree with you (because I have no clue about where you guys were prior to the merger) but just because you think that was going to come to pass, does not mean it would have.