SWA/Airtran pilot integration thoughts, what will the new list look like?

[peter185]

What about integrating the list by looking at the pre-merger pay rates and filtering down from the top, basically it would put all the SW captains at the top of the list then the AT captains, then the SW FO's, then the AT FO's. After list integration everyone moves to the SW pay scale. A senior AT captain would lose a ton of seniority but if QOL was more important he could move to a FO position and make similar dollars. Or the same captain could be junior but increase his hourly pay by $53 at the top end of the pay scale.

 

[400ADude]

What about coming up with a combined list and then if you don't like it, then the other side does the flying with your a$$ furloghed and then..... the company hires to fill the empty seats. Sounds great.

 

[General Lee]

What about integrating the list by looking at the pre-merger pay rates and filtering down from the top, basically it would put all the SW captains at the top of the list then the AT captains, then the SW FO's, then the AT FO's. After list integration everyone moves to the SW pay scale. A senior AT captain would lose a ton of seniority but if QOL was more important he could move to a FO position and make similar dollars. Or the same captain could be junior but increase his hourly pay by $53 at the top end of the pay scale.

Since it is illegal to staple (see Bond/McCaskill), I am sure arbitrators will be involved, because we all know SWA wants the merger done. It's out in the public now, no way turning back. Kelly didn't have time to ask the SWA pilots if they approved. So, we all know arbitrators will decide it, and they will look at the past couple mergers as precedence.

But other than all of that, I think ALL OF YOU are FANTASTIC people, and I bet you will LOVE each other and do GREAT together. I hope you all have a great tomorrow, and if you have a second, make sure you do something nice for someone, like standing up on the bus to allow a granny to sit in your seat. Bye now!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

how about we take the bottom FO from each side, put them in a room and tell them the oxygen runs out in 12 hours, you get to come out when you give us a list.

 

[ATRCAPT]

If this nightmare goes through I'm going to want my 8500 bucks for the type rating back. I hate to say this, but I'm afraid the only ones who aren't going to get "fair and equitable" treatment are the SWA F/O's. Airtran folks are getting a HUGE windfall simply by coming to work here. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you, I just hate to see it come at my expense.

BTW: AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR. Sorry, mod I had to do it. Sort of like Steve McQueen going to the cooler in "The Great Escape". See y'all in 3 days.

 

[GuppyWN]

Don't even begin to mention upgrade time. I'm about to start my 5th year here and figured on upgrading within 2-4 more. That just got extended to 10-15. Sh!t happens. Enjoy the pay and job security and let the merger committees and arbitrator sort everything out.

No offense bro but what was your payrate going to be when you upgraded? And what is your guarantee?

Gup

 

[Whataburger]

One thing AirTran and Southwest have in common, all you need is a High School diploma to apply.


p.s. do you guys wear the same leather jackets as ASA? Perrone, I think?

One more thing we have in common, collectively we are kicking the industry's a$$.

Sorry to bring up facts, but we do require a college degree.

Yes, we use Perrone. I think ours are black and they wear brown.

BTW: All We Are aware of is /Useful Self-awAIRness

 

[Lear70]

If this nightmare goes through I'm going to want my 8500 bucks for the type rating back. I hate to say this, but I'm afraid the only ones who aren't going to get "fair and equitable" treatment are the SWA F/O's. Airtran folks are getting a HUGE windfall simply by coming to work here. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you, I just hate to see it come at my expense.

BTW: AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR. Sorry, mod I had to do it. Sort of like Steve McQueen going to the cooler in "The Great Escape". See y'all in 3 days.

I *SHOULD* boot you for 3 days, but it was harmless enough (and funny enough) to let it lie.

But don't push it, Steve.

/mod

 

[thunderworm]

If this nightmare goes through I'm going to want my 8500 bucks for the type rating back. I hate to say this, but I'm afraid the only ones who aren't going to get "fair and equitable" treatment are the SWA F/O's. Airtran folks are getting a HUGE windfall simply by coming to work here. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you, I just hate to see it come at my expense.

BTW: AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR, AWA/US AIR. Sorry, mod I had to do it. Sort of like Steve McQueen going to the cooler in "The Great Escape". See y'all in 3 days.

I feel your pain bro, but not too much when you make twice as much as me and I am a captian on the same equipment. I guess get used to the right seat, huh.

 

[spciii]

I guess get used to the right seat, huh.

Now that's the spirit! :beer:

 

[InThePocket]

Well done, Shagadelic and MCDU. They have the answers. Consult their profile pics for validation. Congrats to SWA and AirTran on this one!!!

 

[General Lee]

It all depends on what the arbitrators say, and how your side defends your position. If you are a Captain on an Airtran plane, you may still hold that with fences, or whatever the Arbitrators say. If somebody doesn't like it, then they can go ballistic, but it will stand.

BTW, I think all of you are FANTASTIC, and I hope you all have a GLORIOUS day tomorrow. Try to do something nice for someone else, like not denting the car next to you with your own door. Have a great one!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Reserve?

 

[carl p]

Can we just go straight to arbitration already. This is worse than kids on a playground. But it is entertaining...ahhh FI never disappoints!!!

 

[Flyarcticcat]

I would like to see SWA pilot group adopt the 10.5 % B Fund along with the
9.3% 401K Match. This would be the only thing that would benefit the SWA pilot group. And since upgrades now went to 20-25 years you will need as much help for retirement as you can get.