SWA/AAI SLI agreement in principle.

[Hose A. Jiminez]

The Law is pretty clear that just because your airline is bought you
should not have to lose your Captain seat or your seniority.

Hold firm and vote this "bad deal" down.

These guys bought their jobs, PFT, and now they want GK to buy them
YOUR Captains seat and Seniority.

Some things aren't for sale!

PFT? I guess we all pay in one way or another.

Due to your lack of qualifications, spotty record, skeletons in the closet etc, you paid the price of getting stuck at a third tier airline with sub-standard pay and benefits, a hack management team, and questionable future.

Congratulations on the get out of jail free card though. And no hard feelings, everyone knows it's better to be lucky than good.

 

[GuppyWN]

Wow! Haven't heard any AAI leaks about that.

Gup

 

[Bake]

Don't worry about kwick, he is just trying to make friends.

 

[SWA/FO]

hey kwick, you buddies with ty webb?

 

[Lear70]

Due to your lack of qualifications, spotty record, skeletons in the closet etc, you paid the price of getting stuck at a third tier airline with sub-standard pay and benefits, a hack management team, and questionable future.

Congratulations on the get out of jail free card though. And no hard feelings, everyone knows it's better to be lucky than good.

Heh heh... funny stuff.

A guy I know in ATL says apparently ALPA thinks negotiations are on-going. He said the MC wasn't necessarily supposed to negotiate a comprehensive deal, and now the MEC has involved ALPA national to come in and fix what they don't like.

It sure seems, though, that SWAPA has a different opinion entirely. I can't imagine the response when ALPA tells SWAPA they need to re-negotiate some thing that were unintentionally agreed to. Could be interesting!

Not quite.

First, ALPA National isn't coming out to "fix" anything. Andrew Brenner, our inside legal counsel, will be coming in with the MC and NC to help review language that's crafted to match the AIP.

Second, the long and short of PART of the internal union issues here is that the negotiations last week that produced the AIP also involved the transition items. Per the Process Agreement, our Negotiating Committee was supposed to come in and negotiate those since they will involve modifying our existing CBA. (there's a lot of internal politics as to why our NC wasn't involved in the first place, but that's a long, long story).

So with all the different camps right now in the MEC leadership, from the "let's get it done" camp to the "let's vote this thing down and go to arbitration" camp, SOME people (a very few individuals, not the majority) are getting the idea that there may be some ability to renegotiate parts of the deal. I think they're barking up the wrong tree, but it is what it is... not everyone on the SWA side will love this deal any more than you could expect everyone over here to be 100% in favor and naturally our union leadership is the same way - not everyone agrees on everything.

The important part is that the controlling majority of our MEC has said "Send the MC back out, hammer out the language that complies with the AIP, and bring it back to us to review."

 

[ATLboeing]

Mostly a lurker here, but I have to say with the exception of a few posts, this has been a pleasant and professional thread. I can't believe I actually picked up some good info about quality of life in the SW system. Nice to see good points thrown back and forth by rational thinkers
My thanks to the SW guys for tossing out some useful numbers. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail as we'll all be working on the same team towards a common goal.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Good post ATLboeing.

 

[Kharma Police]

The Law is pretty clear that just because your airline is bought you
should not have to lose your Captain seat or your seniority.

Hold firm and vote this "bad deal" down.

These guys bought their jobs, PFT, and now they want GK to buy them
YOUR Captains seat and Seniority.

Some things aren't for sale!

Not sure if you are an AirTran pilot or not, but if so, why don't you STFU?

 

[Jake Dawg]

....I can't imagine the response when ALPA tells SWAPA they need to re-negotiate some thing that were unintentionally agreed to. Could be interesting!

The last time that happened, SWA shut down Muse Air/Transtar within about 48 hours of the call.

Dawg

 

[turn&pull]

Great thread...I hope the AIP is something most of us can agree on because I think most of you guys will really like it here. Sure the pay is great, flexibility is limitless, but the best thing is that people are happy to be here. The work environment is second to none...all work groups included.

The only downside is the "work" that comes with all this efficiency. High paying trips are "trips", not vacations. Especially if most of the work comes in a 300 in the heat of the summer...hopefully their days are numbered.

Look forward to having you guys aboard. I hope you really like it here.

By the way...open time here is awesome. If you need a little extra cash, it is almost always there. I always take a lot of time off late May to mid June off and this year coming down to the middle of the month I had 92 trips on my board. To try and "salvage" my pay for the month I signed up for open time alerts. Ended up getting 2 different 2day trips at premium time. One blocked 3+ and payed 18+, the other blocked 5 and payed just under 24. Obviously they are not always that good, but the other day I had a "turn" (day trip) that payed 11.55. Helped push an average month into a good one.

Look forward to seeing you guys on the line.

 

[waveflyer]

That's why converting TFP into hours is something you only do from the outside. I know everyone has their rigs, and credit v hours is always different- but in 6 airlines, never so much as here. Soon enough, you just start thinking in tfp- and block is just legality.

 

[SWA/FO]

I gots 160 trips for July so far.

$20,400/mo with 20 days off (vacation week)!

 

[scoreboardII]

You AT guys worrying about flying 300/500's, don't. I heard tell your getting the NG transition, no round dial for you. Us old pukes get to rot in hell in a 300 on the ramp in PHX when it's 1120deg F.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I gots 160 trips for July so far.

$20,400/mo with 20 days off (vacation week)!

Is that about 127 TFP?

 

[redflyer65]

There was no conversion in what he stated. 160trips X 130TFP = 20,800 for the month. He's at the top end of the FO payscale.

When you guys come over, you won't even speak in terms of block hours anymore. The computer will tell you if an add on trip is legal, you will be focusing on the Trips for Pay column. The way we get paid is awesome, you can easily crank up the credit....if you want to.

 

[scoreboardII]

deleted, i was too slow...

 

[SWA/FO]

is that about 127 tfp?

127.43

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

There was no conversion in what he stated. 160trips X 130TFP = 20,800 for the month. He's at the top end of the FO payscale.

When you guys come over, you won't even speak in terms of block hours anymore. The computer will tell you if an add on trip is legal, you will be focusing on the Trips for Pay column. The way we get paid is awesome, you can easily crank up the credit....if you want to.

And 160 trips X 127.5 TFP = 20,400, hence about 127, but wanted to make sure my math was right. If one would correlate that to an hourly rate, what would it be.

 

[Tripower455]

There was no conversion in what he stated. 160trips X 130TFP = 20,800 for the month. He's at the top end of the FO payscale.

When you guys come over, you won't even speak in terms of block hours anymore. The computer will tell you if an add on trip is legal, you will be focusing on the Trips for Pay column. The way we get paid is awesome, you can easily crank up the credit....if you want to.

Definitely. I rarely look at the block hours unless I want to cram some trips together.

FWIW, my awarded July line was originally 95tfp. After ELITT, I am working exactly the same number of days, and now have 115 tfp, 4.5 of which is the result of 1.5 time due to a moveup (which got me home 4.5 hours earlier on the last day!).

 

[redflyer65]

And 160 trips X 127.5 TFP = 20,400, hence about 127, but wanted to make sure my math was right. If one would correlate that to an hourly rate, what would it be.

Sorry, thought he was at the top rate of 130.24 TFP, he's on year 10 which is 127.43.

An hourly conversion of 1.15-1.18 is typical.

127.43 X 1.15 = 146.54
127.43 X 1.18 = 150.36

The differences in the conversion are based on different stage lengths. The easy way to make his comparison is to ask SWA/FO what the monthly block is, then just divide it out. Sometimes it comes out higher than what I wrote above.

RF