SWA/AAI SLI agreement in principle.

[FlyinHigh737]

Jolly is venting, and none of you think for a minute that if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be vocal.. I have read your post and I believe yall have vented here and there as well. And for those that don't work for either carrier, don't pretend you know anything about what we are going through, not even the guys that have gone through a merger, which this was not....

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Jolly is venting, and none of you think for a minute that if the shoe was on the other foot you would not be vocal.. I have read your post and I believe yall have vented here and there as well. And for those that don't work for either carrier, don't pretend you know anything about what we are going through, not even the guys that have gone through a merger, which this was not....

All agreed on but lets be clear this is an acquisition not a merger

 

[texman]

I have noticed that all the AT cappy's are quite. It must be a good deal for them.

 

[GuppyWN]

Kwick was spewing his hate a day or two ago.

Gup

 

[redflyer65]

I have noticed that all the AT cappy's are quite. It must be a good deal for them.

So far, it sounds like a great deal for them and possibly a raw deal for the senior SW FO's. Awaiting the details.

 

[texman]

So far, it sounds like a great deal for them and possibly a raw deal for the senior SW FO's. Awaiting the details.

Yup thats what is being said. For CJ it will be good. But I did hear that all the Jr AT Capts will be ratio with the SR swa FO's on the MSL. I was told it would be a 6-8 year upgrade for all the current 89-90000's #'s from DOS.Half that if you have been here 5 plus years. That is just through attrition. This really depends on your age and how much time you have left at SWA on how you will vote.

I will say if you are 35-40 year of age and a mid level AT capt, you have had a major win fall. Just be humble and learn from the person that has been on property at SWA longer than you.

 

[waveflyer]

PCL-
You don't think as an alpa national officer, that you don't have a higher duty to do as we all agreed, as we all have been asked to do and stop leaking partial information that you might be privy to?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL-
You don't think as an alpa national officer, that you don't have a higher duty to do as we all agreed, as we all have been asked to do and stop leaking partial information that you might be privy to?

wave, I'm not privy to anything that any other AirTran pilot isn't privy to. The information posted by me, Lear, or any of the other AirTran guys here has been provided to us by our union reps, without any caveats that it is some sort of confidential information. We have never been told that we can't discuss what our reps have been telling us, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. If your reps are tight-lipped and not talking about it, then I'm sorry, but you should take that up with them, not with us.

 

[Jakejett]

Yup thats what is being said. For CJ it will be good. But I did hear that all the Jr AT Capts will be ratio with the SR swa FO's on the MSL. I was told it would be a 6-8 year upgrade for all the current 89-90000's #'s from DOS.Half that if you have been here 5 plus years. That is just through attrition. This really depends on your age and how much time you have left at SWA on how you will vote.

I will say if you are 35-40 year of age and a mid level AT capt, you have had a major win fall. Just be humble and learn from the person that has been on property at SWA longer than you.

What's the hire date range for 89-90000's #'s?

 

[WNC Flyer]

'06 to '08

 

[texman]

What's the hire date range for 89-90000's #'s?

2008 or the last wave of 06-07. This goes for Super Sr mid AT fo's too. I'm trying to run the numbers to see if it holds true.

 

[Jakejett]

2008 or the last wave of 06-07. This goes for Super Sr mid AT fo's too. I'm trying to run the numbers to see if it holds true.

I was just trying to figure out what it will be for the next new hire.

 

[Lear70]

I will say if you are 35-40 year of age and a mid level AT capt, you have had a major win fall. Just be humble and learn from the person that has been on property at SWA longer than you.

There aren't but a handful of those younger CA's here. The vast majority of CA's, including those in the junior range, are in their early- and mid-40's to late 50's. The junior CA's that were ratio'd in with your senior F/O's won't see a line for at least 10-12 years. Yes, they're seat protected, but approximately 5 out of 6 SWA F/O's who upgrade will be senior to them because of the ratio, which will keep the junior AAI CA's on reserve for a long time to come and they'll be the ones getting bounced from base to base as the staffing flexes seasonally.

Another thing to remember is that it will take nearly 3 years from now to integrate operations. Most of the fences are only in place for one year after that (4 years from this September), so in reality there's only a one year fence after full integration.

There are also some protections that aren't in the papers that leaked to you guys. That briefing was for AAI pilots and, therefore, was geared to point out the benefits and protections and didn't mention many of the things that benefit the SWA pilots. Since some of you have asked me not to comment further on the AIP, I'll simply say you should wait for the ENTIRE THING to come out with full language before you decide, then make up your mind.

I'm sure we'll have more information later this week or early the next.

 

[huronip]

Lear,

I thought it was a 10 year fence now you guys are saying it's only a 4 year fence? I guess I'm confused. If you don't want to post on here could you please PM me? Thanks.

 

[fugghedabowdit]

I believe seat protection and a fence are two different things.

 

[humveedriver]

I will say if you are 35-40 year of age and a mid level AT capt, you have had a major win fall. Just be humble and learn from the person that has been on property at SWA longer than you.

Good advice.

 

[maru657]

So, one pilot group assumes it's superior to the other and demands a seniority advantage? I'll bet an arbitrator would level out the playing field somewhat.

 

[redflyer65]

Good luck with that.

 

[madjack]

I believe seat protection and a fence are two different things.

Lear, can you elaborate?

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

I thought it was a 10 year fence now you guys are saying it's only a 4 year fence? I guess I'm confused. If you don't want to post on here could you please PM me? Thanks.

The seat and equipment fence is 3 years (I got a phone call correcting me, 4 was initially passed around by some reps) and you're right, I misspoke (in a hurry out the door to drop off my son), the ATL fence and CA seat protections are 10 years.

If SWA grows as-planned, the 10-year CA "safety net" won't matter in 4-5 years anyway, as all the SWA's F/O's who are senior to them on the combined list will have upgraded.

Sorry for the confusion...