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Striking is the frontal attack that won't win public support.

Here's one battle plan that ALPA hasn't indorsed and I don't hear about anyone else writing to congress over it.

Make Part 121 carriers have to hire to the same min standard at Part 135. That 1200 hour requirement would end the puppy mill production of new SJS infected pilots and help end the over supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts just so they can fly a jet.

We aren't going to stop a pilot mill from advertising the looming pilot shortage that's been going on for 20 years. But, we can plead our case to the FAA and congress to make real change.

I've written my congressmen and senators. I'd challenge every Part 121 pilot worth their salt to do the same.
 
I don't know if that will really stop it or not. I'd like to BELIEVE that 1,200 or even 1,500 would keep someone from doing it, but I have an bad feeling that if Mommy and Daddy have $100,000 to throw at your career, why not Gulfstream or somewhere else that flies 1900's back and forth to the islands at $50 an hour for 1,000 hours?

They already pay $25,000 - what's another $25,000 if they get where they want to be? I'm sure it would elliminate a few "fence sitters" who can't decide if the money is worth it, but I'm sure there'd still be enough supply to keep compensation depressed.

Speaking of which, supply isn't the only problem; the other is lack of income for the airlines for a pilot group to really put their foot down and strike over a substandard compensation package. It's here at PCL, but for how long? When NWA renegotiates our ASA it could cut us right to the bone for profitability.

Comair is already feeling it, as are others...

p.s. I don't give a flying fu*k's rat's a*s whether the "public" has any sympathy for our strike or not. I care about whether our affiliate tail colors will support it (at PCL I'm referring to NWA and Mesaba - the other red-tails). If they support us and it shuts NWA down until resolved, you'd see quite quickly how fast mgmt would come around (forced to deal rather than lose the ASA).

The passengers will come back when the fares are the cheapest to where they're going, regardless of any work action they were subjected to "last time they flew us".
 
fastbird said:
Striking is the frontal attack that won't win public support.

Here's one battle plan that ALPA hasn't indorsed and I don't hear about anyone else writing to congress over it.

Make Part 121 carriers have to hire to the same min standard at Part 135. That 1200 hour requirement would end the puppy mill production of new SJS infected pilots and help end the over supply of pilots willing to work for peanuts just so they can fly a jet.

We aren't going to stop a pilot mill from advertising the looming pilot shortage that's been going on for 20 years. But, we can plead our case to the FAA and congress to make real change.

I've written my congressmen and senators. I'd challenge every Part 121 pilot worth their salt to do the same.

HOW!! How are you going to get 121 and 135 to the same standard...

It's great that you write your legislators. They can easily write one guy off. How about a strong unified political message....??

Lot's of great ideas, but the HOW never seems to be addressed...
 
Getting that strong political message is OUR job. If enough people BOTHER to write it will make a difference. We also have to put our limited dues paying pressure on ALPA to support the movement too.

True, this won't end the ability for someone to buy enough hours. But, it might provide a little help against SJS and the pilot mills.

Think Econ 101, when supply is high the price is lower. We have too many pilots willing to work for peanuts! That is a supply problem, just like our companies have a supply problem with over capacity and they can't raise ticket prices.

If you can't think of what to write, PM me and I'll send you a copy of what I composed.

FB
 
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fastbird said:
Getting that strong political message is OUR job. If enough people BOTHER to write it will make a difference. We also have to put our limited dues paying pressure on ALPA to support the movement too.

True, this won't end the ability for someone to buy enough hours. But, it might provide a little help against SJS and the pilot mills.

If you can't think of what to write, PM me and I'll send you a copy of what I composed.

FB

Why not post it here..... Many don't know how to even do this.....

Getting a strong political message is our job..agreed.....!!

How?

Learning Air Line Pilot History.
Developing a relationship with your LEC/MEC reps.
Attending LEC meetings.
Giving to ALPA/APA-PAC.

I know this is boring stuff but it is how things get done...
 
we work in an industry that does not raise wages but instead lowers the minimum qualifications for the job when applicants run thin...

nothing useful to add just venting.
 
Excellent point and that's why we all need to take five minutes and log onto both of these sites and take a political stand.

www.house.gov and www.senate.gov

Just input your zip code and it will bring up your political hack's web link and from there you can pen your note.

Not that many years ago, ALPA was on board with "One Level of Safety" regarding the differences in maintenance standards between Part 121 and Part 135 Scheduled Air Service. That push brought many companies to Part 121 standards.

Now, we must complete that task and bring one standard of experience to the cockpit. Will there be scammers and log book padders? Probably; but they already exist so there is no expectation that they will go away either. Will there be rich daddies who can buy all the flight time little precious needs to meet the minimum? Sure and they were lucky to be born into that situation.

Am I frustrated? Yep. Is this my way of venting? You damn skippy it is.

Now, let's get some pilots organized and make a difference. If we do nothing, then nothing will change.
 
fastbird said:
Excellent point and that's why we all need to take five minutes and log onto both of these sites and take a political stand.

www.house.gov and www.senate.gov

Just input your zip code and it will bring up your political hack's web link and from there you can pen your note.

Not that many years ago, ALPA was on board with "One Level of Safety" regarding the differences in maintenance standards between Part 121 and Part 135 Scheduled Air Service. That push brought many companies to Part 121 standards.

Now, we must complete that task and bring one standard of experience to the cockpit. Will there be scammers and log book padders? Probably; but they already exist so there is no expectation that they will go away either. Will there be rich daddies who can buy all the flight time little precious needs to meet the minimum? Sure and they were lucky to be born into that situation.

Am I frustrated? Yep. Is this my way of venting? You dang skippy it is.

Now, let's get some pilots organized and make a difference. If we do nothing, then nothing will change.

I will say it was much easier to bring one exisiting regulation into another existing regulation......

What you are suggesting is creating a regulation. In addition, you are dealing with market forces...something that America holds dear as unbridled. I think the better way to go about your efforts is create tougher training criteria. If it weren't so easy then the mid life shoe store manger who is having a crisis won't get here so fast....
 
I have question for someone who is alpa and union savvy. I was in my opps the other day listing to a conversation between two pilots. One was unhappy about alpa and made the comment that he was ready to tear up his membership. The other pilot made a statement that kind of confused me. He said it didn't matter because they would still take their dues out of his check.
Is that true? and if they do still take dues out of your check what are you paying for when you are not a represented member? Just curious.
 
Tank Commander said:
I have question for someone who is alpa and union savvy. I was in my opps the other day listing to a conversation between two pilots. One was unhappy about alpa and made the comment that he was ready to tear up his membership. The other pilot made a statement that kind of confused me. He said it didn't matter because they would still take their dues out of his check.
Is that true? and if they do still take dues out of your check what are you paying for when you are not a represented member? Just curious.

Pinnacle is an "Agency Shop," meaning that you are required to at least pay "contract maintenance fees" to remain employed. The fees are virtually identical to the standard dues you pay as a member, so it doesn't save you any money to not be an ALPA member. Some of the more senior MEM pilots are not members because they left the union years ago as a form of "protest."

Basically, you are free to work at Pinnacle without being an ALPA member, but you still have to pay because you work under the contract that ALPA works hard to negotiate and maintain. If you fail to enroll in dues checkoff and don't pay anything, then you will eventually be removed from the seniority list and terminated as a result.
 

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