Spirit closing DTW pilot base

[castle bravo]

This is all a worthwhile argument, but we'll just have to sit tight and see what the NC presents the pilot group with for the next contract. Pref bid would likely negate this entire discussion.......
Might be a good idea to let your reps know that you are demanding membership ratification.

 

[Shrek]

This is all a worthwhile argument, but we'll just have to sit tight and see what the NC presents the pilot group with for the next contract. Pref bid would likely negate this entire discussion.......
Might be a good idea to let your reps know that you are demanding membership ratification.

Although possible - I am sure the MEC would not ratify a new contract without a membership vote.

If you don't like an eventual TA produced by the NC look no further than the MEC - the NC is under the DIRECT control of the MEC.

Just some thoughts.........

 

[Beetle007]

Is there anything preventing pref bidding and a guaranteed 5 days off between trips? Pref bidding would actually make it easier and more efficient. With pref bidding they could even guarantee 5 days off during transitions (which we currently don't have).

Pref bidding is a tool that could make great schedules for the pilots and company. But, historically this tool has been used to the disadvatage of the pilots (Although I heard TWAs was good). Pref bidding could make our lives better if (and only if) it is implemented properly.

 

[Gearthrower]

Pref-bidding would only work if we could create the pairings and had complete control of the parameters loaded into the pref-bidding software. With the current pairings created by scheduling all pref-bidding would do is create the same crummy schedules they currently have because the pairings are not optimized. Marketing would have to be held responsible for not changing the schedule at the last minute thus not giving planning enough time to write the schedules. Now, Marketing gives the flying for the following month about 2 to 3 days before the they are due to be published an sent out to the domiciles. This is hardly enough time to tweak the pairings they only run them thru the optimizer maybe twice before they build the lines. This should be done at least 4 time to get the best pairing efficency.

Pref-bidding will not work because they almost certainly would not let us have complete control of the program and marketing would not give the information to planning with enough time to optimize the pairings. If you do not have good solid pairings then pref-bidding would be a big loser for us.

The last system they proposed in after the last contract was Navatechs, and the most recent was Karmen. The same program that NW uses. TWA had a good system but it was run by the union and they had complete control over it, also they had good solid pairings that made the system worth wild for the crews. Also, Spirit can not be trusted to run any computer program by itself. Just how easy is it to print you schedule if DTW or FLL in the crewroom. It has been like that for as long as I can remember, just imagin now them running the program that run your whole life. The fundamentals to run a program this complex are not in place on the companies side all the promises they make a useless.

And I can not login to CrewTrac.

 

[Shrek]

Gearthrower is correct - Pref-Bid without control of the PAIRINGS is a no go.

 

[castle bravo]

"Pref-bidding would only work if we could create the pairings and had complete control of the parameters loaded into the pref-bidding software. "

I can hear the company laughing at this a mile away.



"This should be done at least 4 time to get the best pairing efficency. "

Never has this been a priority in Miramar.



"Pref-bidding will not work because they almost certainly would not let us have complete control of the program and marketing would not give the information to planning with enough time to optimize the pairings."

Words of wisdom and experience. NC are you listening?



"The last system they proposed in after the last contract was Navatechs, and the most recent was Karmen. The same program that NW uses."

What a strange coincidence. Want to bet bet that Miramar envisions a system exactly like what NWA uses? You will lose transition conflicts. You will lose training conflicts. You will lose vacation conflicts.



"Also, Spirit can not be trusted to run any computer program by itself"

The fox guarding the hen house.

 

[castle bravo]

"Pref bidding is a tool that could make great schedules for the pilots and company."


It's so great that CAL wants to get rid of pref bid completely! Visit a CAL driver near you....

 

[Shrek]

Pref-bidding (if we get all the control of pairings we want) would be an improvement to our QOL BUT not life shattering event. While Pref-Bid is a HUGE money saver an productivity improver for the company in ANY form.

That distinctly gives the NC an upperhand in this. The company either goes for what we need out of the program or it dies on the table wih no LOA or section in the contract.

Just look at the recent past - the company will trip over a twenty to pick up a nickel................the NC knows this. Have faith in your volunteers that work for us on their days off.

 

[NuGuy]

it looks as if they did some sort of proving run down to Key West, the flight number shows up on the flowsheet. This will prove to be a total problem child 4801ft. I can not wait for my turn in the barrell to try and skid off the runway. If I wanted short field landing practice I would buy a C185. It looks like they warmed up on the Dade Collier Transition training field. It is the large airfield out in the middle of the Everglades just off the Curso Arrival into FLL. Check the lastest Jepp Revision 20 I believe it was placed behind MIA.

Heyas,

Key West is a special place. Flew the Dash for PDT out of there a ton.

NAS Key West's idea of separation is somewhat of a curiosity, though. We came out of there IFR one day on an assigned heading. Up out nowhere a fully loaded F-14 goes by so close it fills up the front AND side windshield on the right side, and you could make out the words stenciled on the ordinance.

When we pointed it out to departure (run by the NAS), he just comes back "oh, don't worry about him, he's VFR"

Nu

 

[Beetle007]

The only people pref bidding will hurt (if implemented properly) are the guys who love to pick up junior assignment and open time.

 

[castle bravo]

The only people pref bidding will hurt (if implemented properly) are the guys who love to pick up junior assignment and open time.

Maybe, maybe not- especially if the co keeps paying 150% for days off open time pickup, and 200% for JA. What would crimp the free-for-all these "team players" exploit would be to create a pay bank system. Limits on monthly/quarterly/annual credit would help, too. Then again, that would help the currently stalled upgrade situation as well. What a concept.

 

[NK_FA]

Well they are officially reducing the F/A base by 50% starting April 1, to be completed by Aug 1. I'm guessing it will displace the bottom 175 from DTW. It may be a few less that 175, but just a rough guess

 

[troll565]

How many of them are just going to up and quit?

 

[lionflyer]

How many of them are just going to up and quit?

Everyone I talked too says the're gonna quit. We'll see what happens.

 

[pilotyip]

USA Jet may be looking for FA's for its YIP base and growing passenger business.

 

[NK_FA]

I know a few who will come to FLL, a majority I would say would quit.....then again this may be a negotiations thing too, much like the pilots, we'll see

 

[Beetle007]

And those 6 passwords (I counted 7 for me) require that you they be changed every so often and can't be the same as a previous password =)

Correction - I have 8 passwords for Spirit now. I forgot they gave me a password when I had to sign that annual HR employee handbook acknowledgment. I now have a password for the "Spirit Airlines Human Resources and E-Training' website login"

How many of you guys actually created a login and signed that thing?

 

[cruxx@9]

How many FA's are in DTW? What will the most Junior FA be?

That really sucks by the way.

 

[NK_FA]

There are 361 F/As in DTW as of the Jan bids. After the base reduction the most junior will be early 2002 seniority date

 

[surfbas]

Anybody know how long before you are hearing something from Spirit?