Sleepy NWA pilots?

[MCDU]

From you Airbus guys/gals: What mode does the AP revert to once you reach the end of your flightplan?

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[johnboy99]

Nice attitude! Honesty will save the day. I am sure they know that now.

Would you not agree if your wife and two small kids were sitting in the back while this crew discussed "company policy".

You are right honesty will save the day. That is why these numbnuts shoud save taxpayers money and admit they were asleep or where ever because they were not in the cockpit.

They could have killed nearly 150 people so yes my attitude is nice because stupid stuff like this gives us all a black eye and unwanted press time on the 6pm news.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would you not agree if your wife and two small kids were sitting in the back while this crew discussed "company policy".

You are right honesty will save the day. That is why these numbnuts shoud save taxpayers money and admit they were asleep or where ever because they were not in the cockpit.

They could have killed nearly 150 people so yes my attitude is nice because stupid stuff like this gives us all a black eye and unwanted press time on the 6pm news.

ACL65 and other mainline pilots feel differently when a regional does things like this....They aren't so quick to defend them...Yet another example of the double standard ....

 

[RedRum]

The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.

 

[SoFineSoFLA]

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away.

It is a phenomena of the internet posting era from behaind a wall of supposed anonymity, if people had to put in their real names, you would find a great deal more civility and perhaps a great deal less conjecture.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.

RedRum...Welcome to our world...Those of us at the regionals have been hearing these "cat calls" for the past year from passengers AND OUR MAINLINE "brothers"...We have watched our union go on national TV and blame "experience levels at the regionals"...

Here's the difference between us and the mainline pilots that bash the regionals....We realize that ANYONE can screw up...The events of this week prove this isn't a "regional" thing...

As to the "cat calls" you are worried about...Don't worry about...You'll learn to laugh at them just as we have....

 

[aussieflyboy]

The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.

Have a look at the threads that were started after the Go! pilots fell asleep on their inter-island flight in Hawaii. Have a look at the Comair and Colgan crash threads, have a look at EVERY ******* thread that's ever been started in the wake of a regional crew's accident/incident and you'll find major pilots sinking the boot in and taking cheap shots about the regional pilots' experience levels, professionalism, age, education level... you name it, it's there.

What needs to be pointed out is that these sorts of things can happen to anybody and that maybe some of the major pilots with Chuck Yeager complexes should come down off their high horses and exercise a little bit of humility.

 

[JoeMerchant]

have a look at the threads that were started after the go! Pilots fell asleep on their inter-island flight in hawaii. Have a look at the comair and colgan crash threads, have a look at every ******* thread that's ever been started in the wake of a regional crew's accident/incident and you'll find major pilots sinking the boot in and taking cheap shots about the regional pilots' experience levels, professionalism, age, education level... You name it, it's there.

What needs to be pointed out is that these sorts of things can happen to anybody and that maybe some of the major pilots with chuck yeager complexes should come down off their high horses and exercise a little bit of humility.

exactly!

 

[Bluejob]

Yeah, coz if these guys had been in sterile there's no way they'd have fallen asleep

Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on the poor old grandpas - it was probably time for their afternoon nap...

Those poor old grandpas are alive today, unlike the young guns (who actually did need a nap), who put the flaps up thereby creating an accelerated turn stall killing all onboard last winter in BUF, or taxiing out and taking off on the wrong runway in SDF like the younger, smarter, I know it all Yeagers comming up now.

 

[aussieflyboy]

Those poor old grandpas are alive today, unlike the young guns (who actually did need a nap), who put the flaps up thereby creating an accelerated turn stall killing all onboard last winter in BUF, or taxiing out and taking off on the wrong runway in SDF like the younger, smarter, I know it all Yeagers comming up now.

They might be alive today, but by luck or design??

Just because there HAPPENED to not be anyone taxiing on the taxiway in ATL, and just because the NWA guys HAPPENED to wake up 150 nm east of MSP and not during the spiralling death plunge of a fuel exhausted Airbus somewhere over central Ontario, do you think that excuses their actions? Maybe next time they wouldn't be so lucky, just like the Comair and Colgan crews weren't so lucky.

Incidentally, I don't recall an incorrect runway being used in SDF any time recently... Refresh my memory?

 

[flylike44]

this will happen more and more as all the geezers inch inexorably towards age 65...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Here is a quote from General Lee:

It sure doesn't seem like those 1500 hours they each had (more for the Capt) were quality hours. They lacked basic airmanship skills. You don't pull back on the yoke during a stall. You don't put the flaps up during one either. That plane pancaked straight down on ONE house. You have to set a new standard (a higher standard) and go from there. To the pilots, I say RIP. But, something has to be done here.


Bye Bye---General Lee

There were many more quotes like this....You get the point...Now that Delta pilots are the one with the black eye, they've gone from offense to defense...The double standard continues with each post they make....

 

[Poahi]

The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

That's one thing, but the 'ignorance' is confined to these forums. What about the soapbox that Sully has been blithering from? He bashes the regional pilots as the bottom of the barrel and that's why they aren't professional and fall asleep while flying. This week he was proven irrelevant.

At least the regional pilots were honest about their mistakes. Debating policy? Save it for flightinfo. The profession was set back this week.

 

[Networ-King]

Looks like the lying has already started....not looking good for these guys if in fact this is their story.....


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Joe Merchant,


You lost all credibility when you grouped all Delta pilots in with Genital Warts and used his quote to defend your position. You should know better than that...

US Airliner Loses Contact, Overflies Destination

October 23, 2009
A Northwest Airlines flight carrying 144 passengers from San Diego to Minneapolis lost contact with air controllers for more than an hour and overflew its destination by 150 miles (241 km), officials said Thursday.
The National Transportation Safety Board said the two pilots of Flight 188, an Airbus A320, told authorities after landing safely Wednesday night that they had become distracted during a "heated discussion about airline policy."
The NTSB said Thursday it would review the plane's flight data and voice recorders and interview the pilots. Among other issues, investigators will explore crew fatigue to see if the pilots were tired, the NTSB said.
Northwest is owned by Delta Air Lines, which said the pilots had been relieved from active flying pending completion of the NTSB investigation and an internal probe by Delta.
Safety board investigations can take several months to complete.
The plane was flying at 37,000 feet when it lost radio contact between 8 pm and 9:15 pm EDT.
Flight 188 was 150 miles off course by the time the crew re-established communications and requested permission to turn around, officials said.
Airport police boarded the plane in Minneapolis to ensure there had not been a hijacking or other criminal activity, a spokesman for Minneapolis-St Paul Airport said.
Military authorities were alerted during the incident and put fighter jets on stand-by status temporarily, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said.
It was the second unusual incident involving a US airliner this week.
On Monday, a Delta Boeing 767 with 182 passengers landed on a taxiway instead of its assigned runway at Atlanta's Hartsfield airport. The taxiway, which was parallel to the runway, was active but cleared of ground traffic.

(Reuters)

 

[dondk]

not that flightaware is a science. Look at the route for the 21st and compare with routes from previous days. The 21st is clearly flight plan route, no short cuts. Most of not all of the previous days, had shortcuts (direct) or some variation thereof.

either, they are ticked off enough to keep flight plan route or they declined a short cut and relaxed a bit too much.

Just odd, that's all.

 

[NEDude]

This is a nightmare scenario. I can see how this happened, especially in the A320. The nice seats, reclined, using the footrests. Nice quiet humm of the engines and wind. Really easy to nod off, even for a younger guy. I feel for these guys.

Perhaps this will put even more pressure on the fatigue issue.

 

[Jabwmu]

Incidentally, I don't recall an incorrect runway being used in SDF any time recently... Refresh my memory?

I think he's referring to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_Flight_191 out of Lexington.

 

[waveflyer]

Come on guys- either of these could have led to loss of life. Easily. And it was Lexington, not SDF- I hope it was fatigue related- but I fear that this heated debate may be true- which helps none of us.

Actually.... I hope they had two of the last remaining hot FA's bent over their tray tables.

 

[701EV]

Fox news is reporting that the NTSB only has the last 30 minutes of the CVR. Not the two hour like they thought they had.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Come on guys- either of these could have led to loss of life. Easily. And it was Lexington, not SDF- I hope it was fatigue related- but I fear that this heated debate may be true- which helps none of us.

Actually.... I hope they had two of the last remaining hot FA's bent over their tray tables.

Now wouldn't that be a story.