Sleepy NWA pilots?

[aussieflyboy]

Captain is 53 yrs old, FO 54 yrs old.

Babies compared to a lot of the other folks at NWA, but definitely within that "afternoon nap" age range.

 

[runwayjockey]

Take it for what it is, but here is an artical that names both pilots and states that the CVR only got the last 30 minutes.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/...port_police_report_nwa_flight_188_oct_23_2009

The identity of the General has been revealed?

 

[General Lee]

Here is a quote from General Lee:



There were many more quotes like this....You get the point...Now that Delta pilots are the one with the black eye, they've gone from offense to defense...The double standard continues with each post they make....

Did the NWA guys lack basic airmanship like I said the Colgan pilots did? No, they didn't. Look at the track on Flightaware.com----they never flew it upside down. It was perfect airmanship. As far as what happened over MSP, we don't know. But, we do know they never stalled the plane and put it into a tight spiral. BTW, their answer "in a heated discussion over company policies" was a CLASSIC!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The identity of the General has been revealed?

You can see me every Wednesday night this month pulling into the Delta parking lot on Camp Creek in my Orange General Lee car. I even have the same horn! I am doing some Germany and 1 Milan this month.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[aussieflyboy]

Did the NWA guys lack basic airmanship like I said the Colgan pilots did? No, they didn't. Look at the track on Flightaware.com----they never flew it upside down. It was perfect airmanship. As far as what happened over MSP, we don't know. But, we do know they never stalled the plane and put it into a tight spiral. BTW, their answer "in a heated discussion over company policies" was a CLASSIC!


Bye Bye--General Lee

You don't think being asleep qualifies as "lacking basic airmanship"?

 

[FlyAuburn]

Do you really have to ask that? Is ATIS the latest wind?

I typically have it in my mind what it is and listen to tower giving out winds as they clear people to land... its pretty rare for me to actually get a "wind check" unless the winds on the FMC are looking a lot different.

Exactly. I know that it's not the latest wind and I too just listen to tower giving wind checks. So the Boeing guys are the only ones that ask for a wind check? If not, just fly the plane. A little annoying when the wind is less than 10 kts. "good luck, we're all counting on you" gives me a good laugh. :laugh:

sorry for the hijack, but I've always wondered.

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

You don't think being asleep qualifies as "lacking basic airmanship"?

No, it qualifies as basic airmenship when you have high time. Atleast, if you had some PFTers in the cockpit they would have been so excited they would have stayed awake.

 

[ozpilot]

I would be very curious as to the situational awareness of everyone else such as the flight attendants. They were going to MSP so at least some of the passengers would have connections. We all know if there is a five minute delay they are already worried about those connections. I would think that even the most clueless of flight attendants would be wondering if they were holding because by now someone has complained they are not going to make that connection.

I will certainly not pass judgment since I was not on the flightdeck, but there are definitely a lot of things to make you go Hmm!

Imagine if the airplane had been equiped with air show and the pax had been watching .. or if NWA (Delta?) allowed pax to monitor ATC transmissions like United does.

 

[MCDU]

If Northwest pilots were able to land in Brussels instead of Frankfurt on DC 10, anything is possible. They will be back flying. They did not go to sleep. Just heated discussions about how f-ked up everything is, including the seniority list.

Did ALPA get the NWA pilots back who landed at Ellsworth AFB? I believe not.
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[cjdriver]

Kudo's to the crew for the quick thinking on why they overflew. Hey, if you're going down, you might as well go in style. They will become legends, albeit unemployed.

 

[KCPilot]

Exactly. I know that it's not the latest wind and I too just listen to tower giving wind checks. So the Boeing guys are the only ones that ask for a wind check? If not, just fly the plane. A little annoying when the wind is less than 10 kts. "good luck, we're all counting on you" gives me a good laugh. :laugh:

sorry for the hijack, but I've always wondered.

How about the guys that ask you to call out the last 10 feet on a landing in the 757 or 767. You'll find the runway soon enough!

 

[aussieflyboy]

If Northwest pilots were able to land in Brussels instead of Frankfurt on DC 10, anything is possible. They will be back flying. They did not go to sleep. Just heated discussions about how f-ked up everything is, including the seniority list.

Did ALPA get the NWA pilots back who landed at Ellsworth AFB? I believe not.
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They certainly were asleep.
Tell me how its possible to still be at FL370 40 mins after the TOD point? Are you saying that neither man looked at his MFD that whole time? If that's what you're suggesting then it'd be better if they HAD been asleep. Either way get those f*****s out of the cockpit!

 

[WarnerNo13]

I've sat in the jumpseat up front with crews having heated discussions about company policies, but they never missed a radio call, all conversation stops when their call sign is heard. I don't see how these guys are gonna get out of this, it's obvious they were asleep, with 2 centers calling them, other pilots calling, city lights, FMS, and I'm certain their dispatcher was following their flight and noticed they were not on descent to MSP and initiated a selcal after no ACARS response.

 

[PA31Driver]

Did the NWA guys lack basic airmanship like I said the Colgan pilots did? No, they didn't. Look at the track on Flightaware.com----they never flew it upside down. It was perfect airmanship.

Bye Bye--General Lee

You know they weren't upside down by their track on Flightaware.com???

Perfect airmanship was because the darn airplane was on autopilot...

 

[LawReview]

Did ALPA get the NWA pilots back who landed at Ellsworth AFB? I believe not.

Actually they did.

 

[SEVEN]

It's a conspiracy. Both pilots fell asleep, when awoken by the FA, they had 50 minutes to landing. CVR only records last 30. Capt and FO concoct the story about the heated discussion, knowing only the last 30 minutes would be heard. Both pilots agreeing to take it to the grave, knowing that if they were caught sleeping they would be terminated. A PA was made to the cabin within the 30 minute CVR recording to back up the story. They would land, ASAP it and continue flying to age 65.

My guess, someone will give into the pressure and tell the truth. Knowing that lying to Federal Investigators will send them to prison.

 

[OPECJet]

After being here a few years, I can tell you that DAL pilots are not uptight. Most are very laid back and pragmatic. They do watch their game a little more when there are "outsiders" (OAL's) in the flight deck. These guys are a great group of men and women.

It is like the military. If you are an outsider, they will not let you see their true colors. It took being on the inside to realize that.

Now continue to flame away.

So you're saying Delta pilots have multiple personalities?

 

[Poahi]

Did the NWA guys lack basic airmanship

Bye Bye--General Lee

So had the airplane stalled while they were asleep, they would have lacked basic airmanship?

 

[CeeDee]

I have an idea...they should say they were arguing over a crew meal. Oh wait, that won't work....FAA would be onto that one in a heartbeat
Airline? Crew meal? nah

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

So had the airplane stalled while they were asleep, they would have lacked basic airmanship?

While I agree that passing out or just not paying attention doesn't qualify for anything related to good airmanship, I'd like to see you try to stall an airbus with all systems functioning normally.