SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[OO pilot]

"too cool to fly turboprops"... It is pretty funny that you bring that up... these guys that a year ago were peeing their pants with excitement that they got hired into the jet instead of the brasilia have been clamoring to get that quick upgrade and their PIC.

And those are the same guys who can't hand fly a visual....

 

[Shrek]

An in-house union at the regional level is retarded.

 

[Lazy8]

An in-house union at the regional level is retarded.

Thank you for stating the reasons why and adding nothing of relevance to the topic.

 

[olympus593]

Ok now I understand. $.45 is not much but I think it has to be done as a building block. As the industry keeps getting strong keep getting the little raises to add up to a big one. I expect there to be COLA, raise for Brasillia, etc in the next agreement. Without it I will not vote for another one. Looking back I think the block override makes it look like a bigger raise than it is. I just wanted there to be seperate pay scales. I guess we will see what the future holds. I'm sure the 70/90 will go senior now.

Hey F**K FACE It's going to take a long time with 45 cents increase, ever heard of inflation, it's a lot more every year than 45 ct, your building block are building a pay cut.

I got to say that of all the people who post here you got to be the biggest loser.

 

[flylowman]

HellonewWoman is a LOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEERRRRR

 

[flylowman]

Honest question, if you are at UPS now why does this concern you so much?

I think it matters because. I have a good friend who is in the hiring department at FedEx who I communicate with on a weekly basis who does not like to give interviews to sale outs like you. Do you know of the ramifications of association. It is good to be part of a group aka. (ALPA). Pilots get pilots jobs in the real world. Just think about it.

 

[Nightrain_080]

PROUD to be one of the NO voters.

This pay proposal amonts to a dirty nickel you may or may not find on the street.

Keep your filthy dirty nickels. I can make more overide sleeping in.

 

[Lazy8]

jujjjjj

Put the whiskey down!

There's a difference between a professional pilot association and a mob driven association that encourages groupthink and soldiery among it's members. You do nothing to help any union by trying to promote fear into new career pilots and pushing your political agenda in their face. I am not anti-union, but it kills me to see so many union members act like such morons. You only further support the argument that unions protect the people that have no business in the professional world.

 

[FightingIrish]

I think it matters because. I have a good friend who is in the hiring department at FedEx who I communicate with on a weekly basis who does not like to give interviews to sale outs like you. Do you know of the ramifications of association. It is good to be part of a group aka. (ALPA). Pilots get pilots jobs in the real world. Just think about it.

You aren't helping if you want the Skywest pilots to join ALPA. Threatening them with not getting hired at FedEx is absurd! ALPA has enough of a black eye without you making it worse. Some of you are acting like children and making ALPA look worse - which is hard to do right now.

 

[flylowman]

Put the whiskey down!

There's a difference between a professional pilot association and a mob driven association that encourages groupthink and soldiery among it's members. You do nothing to help any union by trying to promote fear into new career pilots and pushing your political agenda in their face. I am not anti-union, but it kills me to see so many union members act like such morons. You only further support the argument that unions protect the people that have no business in the professional world.

Beotch, If you haven't figured it out by now, I am not even going to argue with you. I for one have benefited from my ALPA membership. No I didn't use there legal representation. I think in my opinion you would too. That is all.

And if your little remark at the end was directed toward me. Brother let me tell you about ten hours a day in an ag plane, paying my own way threw college, and loading 5,000 pound of UPS boxes in a DC-3 at 0400.

 

[HelloNewman]

Hey F**K FACE It's going to take a long time with 45 cents increase, ever heard of inflation, it's a lot more every year than 45 ct, your building block are building a pay cut.

I got to say that of all the people who post here you got to be the biggest loser.

Not as big of a paycut as taking no raise for anyone and still voting in a union. Thanks for the kind words. Why all this anger directed at me when this was what the majority wanted? Remember I am not the only one who voted yes. I am sure this will be another thing where everyone swears they voted no but somehow the election was rigged. It seems to always happen that way. Just like the ALPA vote in 1999 was "rigged" and the vote for the TA in 2003 was "rigged". The real truth is a lot of people just say they voted no to appease the other pilots and to take the easy way out of a debate/argument.

 

[auspac]

What union drive? As you can see by the morons on this board, and by the number of people who didn't even bothered to vote, there's slightly less interest in union representation, than there is in making Jesse Jackson the Grand Knight of the KKK.

VOTED NO

Agree 100% The ALPA drive has a very slim chance of success when over 750 pilots failed to vote either way on this pay proposal. I don't get it, how hard was it to vote?

 

[Lazy8]

Beotch, If you haven't figured it out by now, I am not even going to argue with you. I for one have benefited from my ALPA membership. No I didn't use there legal representation. I think in my opinion you would too. That is all.

I'm not saying ALPA cannot be beneficial. It can be very beneficial. You completely missed my point in that post.

And if your little remark at the end was directed toward me. Brother let me tell you about ten hours a day in an ag plane, paying my own way threw college, and loading 5,000 pound of UPS boxes in a DC-3 at 0400.

That last remark is only intended to people that advocate unions in an ignorant way. Is that you?

So you've put blood, sweat, and tears into your career. You've had to work hard. Welcome to the club.

 

[scangadah]

. Just like the ALPA vote in 1999 was "rigged" .

Who is claming that this vote was "rigged"? I voted in that drive and do not recall that at all.

 

[olympus593]

Not as big of a paycut as taking no raise for anyone and still voting in a union. Thanks for the kind words. Why all this anger directed at me when this was what the majority wanted? Remember I am not the only one who voted yes. I am sure this will be another thing where everyone swears they voted no but somehow the election was rigged. It seems to always happen that way. Just like the ALPA vote in 1999 was "rigged" and the vote for the TA in 2003 was "rigged". The real truth is a lot of people just say they voted no to appease the other pilots and to take the easy way out of a debate/argument.

Hey moron 1% less COLA around 4% give you a 3% pay cut, How can you not see that, are you that F UP???
I'm sure the EMB crew have kinder words for you.

 

[Junkflyer]

Proud to sell your brothers (and sisters) out. Just what management likes- divide and conquer. You'll be crying for a union in a few years.

 

[Shrek]

Well I guess the union litmus test passed for the company. I would be shocked if ALPA gets voted in now.

 

[mckpickle]

WOW, I honestly can't believe this passes. You guys are a farking joke! As someone else said, an over ride is NOT a split rate. What a bunch of clowns.

 

[embdrvr]

Just like the ALPA vote in 1999 was "rigged" and the vote for the TA in 2003 was "rigged". The real truth is a lot of people just say they voted no to appease the other pilots and to take the easy way out of a debate/argument.

Check your facts FNG. The vote in 1999 for ALPA would have passed if it wasn't for a couple of ballots postmarked a day late. The majority of pilots voted for it. Noone that I have talked to since 1999 claims the vote was rigged. It just sucks that 4 or 5 ballots got postmarked a day late.

Early 2003 was a different story with voting conducted on a company controlled website. The biggest farce was the voting got cut off early. Then hours before voting was originally scheduled to end UAL put out a press release saying we had been awarded the flying. So in essence we were going to get the flying regardless of the outcome of the vote. The gents in SGU cast out a shiny lure and we bit. That's what happens when you don't have experts to advise you and instead rely on well intentioned SAPA folks. If we had dug in our heels and demanded a 3 or 4 buck an hour wedge in the scale the total additional cost to the company would have been about the same cost as a single RJ captain over the 18 months based on the advertised delivery schedule. So it was never about the new airplanes or the money. They just wanted to take advantage of a pilot group that was nervous about the Bain group and losing flying to Mesa.

You talk so much sh1t and try to give people the impression you know what happened but the simple fact is you weren't even on the property when these events happened. You're still a junior FO in ORD. That's why you can't get the stories about these events straight.

 

[CheeseDick]

I voted no

I would have voted yes if there was a pay increase for the bro and the bonus awards went to employees with less than 2 years.

I find it sad that probably half of the employees will help scheduling out because they are new but then they won't get anything extra to show for their performance.

 

[PCL_128]

Thank you for stating the reasons why and adding nothing of relevance to the topic.

The big reason why is financial. Regional pilot groups receive far more money from ALPA than they pay in because the majors subsidize us. Without that subsidy, an independent association would have to charge their members an absurd dues percentage (probably something in the 5-6% range).

 

[Gr82Aviate]

and you been here how long now? how many 'straws' have you suffered through? I recall your posts when you were trying to get hired here, you backed SkyWest then, what is so different now all these MONTHS later?

classic union thuggery mentality. a guy will come to an interview, prepare, study hard, spend money flying the sim, and schmooze and tell the interviewer how much he wants the job, how excited he'd be to be here, blah blah blah. they present the payscale and all the info about the company. he smiles, does his absolute best, and hopes to get hired. then, after getting hired, turns around and starts pissing and moaning how bad he has it and how he'll 'burn the MF down' if he has to.

really impressive.

How long you been here koolaid boy? Typical brain dead anti-union management bootlicker can't figure out he just got the shaft from management!
Really impressive.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Apples to oranges... You fly for UPS?

When any union represented regional pilots swing a 40% pay increase at any seniority level please let me know

I agree the pay increase should have been better, but it's a start. SkyWest doesn't have a great negioting table right now, but then again, what regional does?

It's not a start, it's a steamy pile...We don't have a "great negotiating table right now"???? You mean being number 20 in the world in operating income out of all carriers including freight isn't good enough for a COLA that at least matches inflation??? We actually had higher operating income last year than UPS, and they got a 40% increase!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!

 

[Morning Wood]

The UPS guy does not want you working there now---it will only continue at other airlines when they hear what Skywest pilots are settling for? ENJOY your career at Skywest !! Call for ALL ALPA carriers not to hire non-union carrier pilots once taking of aircrafts from unionized companies ...

Do you think your union dues are being used to buy airplanes? The employees don't own the airplanes, the bank does.

 

[flyphish]

why would you guys fly 50, 70, and 90 seaters for the same pay? sounds like mesa! if you are flying a 90 seat airpline why would you fly it for 50 seat pay?

 

[HelloNewman]

why would you guys fly 50, 70, and 90 seaters for the same pay? sounds like mesa! if you are flying a 90 seat airpline why would you fly it for 50 seat pay?

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate. How about taking the time to educate yourself instead of spouting off the same, tired rhetoric. SkyWest pilots no longer have a thing to be embarrassed about.

 

[ASARJMan]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate.

Still not a rate. It's override when you actually fly the thing, and only then. Doesn't apply for CX pay, vacation pay, credits etc etc. Perhaps YOU ought to educate yourself. Even if it were a true rate, 5% ain't sheeeeeeeet man!

Voted To Strike ASA & SKYW Inc!

 

[goahead]

Newsflash starting Jan 2007 we fly the planes for different rates. 5% more than the 50 seater rate.

Perhaps, for as long as JA lets you to have it, but most importantly you'll only get it when you're in the actual seat. No DHD, TNG, CNX, guarantee, all your cool rigs, etc.....
Still a crap raise.

 

[OO pilot]

Check your facts FNG. The vote in 1999 for ALPA would have passed if it wasn't for a couple of ballots postmarked a day late. The majority of pilots voted for it. Noone that I have talked to since 1999 claims the vote was rigged. It just sucks that 4 or 5 ballots got postmarked a day late.

Early 2003 was a different story with voting conducted on a company controlled website. The biggest farce was the voting got cut off early. Then hours before voting was originally scheduled to end UAL put out a press release saying we had been awarded the flying. So in essence we were going to get the flying regardless of the outcome of the vote. The gents in SGU cast out a shiny lure and we bit. That's what happens when you don't have experts to advise you and instead rely on well intentioned SAPA folks. If we had dug in our heels and demanded a 3 or 4 buck an hour wedge in the scale the total additional cost to the company would have been about the same cost as a single RJ captain over the 18 months based on the advertised delivery schedule. So it was never about the new airplanes or the money. They just wanted to take advantage of a pilot group that was nervous about the Bain group and losing flying to Mesa.

You talk so much sh1t and try to give people the impression you know what happened but the simple fact is you weren't even on the property when these events happened. You're still a junior FO in ORD. That's why you can't get the stories about these events straight.

Amen to that.

 

[OO pilot]

WOW, I honestly can't believe this passes. You guys are a farking joke! As someone else said, an over ride is NOT a split rate. What a bunch of clowns.

Well, to be fair, it's 1600 clowns....there's 753 of us who knew better, and like you, sill can't believe it passed.