Skywest New Pay Proposal........nice Slap In The Face.......lets Flush It Down!!!

[Bluto]

Well, yeah, with our in-house union. I'd imagine 2% of your pilot's pay is enough to run a respectable union. The last drive we had (in-house) had serious funding problems. It wasn't terribly comforting to think that the lawyers who would represent our pilots to the FAA should it come to that, would be union volunteer line pilots working on their off time, for example.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Well, yeah, with our in-house union. I'd imagine 2% of your pilot's pay is enough to run a respectable union. The last drive we had (in-house) had serious funding problems. It wasn't terribly comforting to think that the lawyers who would represent our pilots to the FAA should it come to that, would be union volunteer line pilots working on their off time, for example.

Let me rephrase.

Any regional carrier, regardless of pay rates could generate enough dues revenue to accoplish much of anything.

ALPA is an association of organized bargaining units and as such has the revenue to operate in such a manner that provides services to all members. Call it economy of scale if you like.

ALPA certainly has its' issues. When push comes to shove, they are better than anything else going for pilots. The support from the aeromedical division is priceless. I can attest first hand. Try fighting the FAA on your own over a medical issue and see how well things turn out. Or is you get hauled into the CP office and summarily dismissed who do you turn to with an in house union.

It is about collective power. That is the benefit of the union.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

The "lawyer sapa reps" have all turned out showing their true colors as push comes to shove. Both D.A. and D.L. talked a good game when looking for election but now its pretty apparent they are just bucking for Chief Pilot jobs. D.L. times out at 60 pretty soon and is doing everything (including selling out his 2000 plus pillot brothers and sisters) to get his and his alone. Makes me sick. D.C. the Sapa "communication director" is even worse in my opinion. Funny how when its convenient to bash union drives he doesnt mind spouting off on his own personal opinions then when something as important as this p.o.s. T.A. is offered hes all tight lipped on his opinion. He knows its total garbage but hes after that chief pilot position in San Diego so wont say anything negative.....all of a sudden he takes the stance that he shouldnt give his personal view. Hes afraid that Brad Holt who he gave his login password for the Sapa forum too wont give him the promised position if he says what he really thinks. Total sell out and should be banned from any position that affects the quality of life and well being of those he should have stuck up for. Ask skywest pilots who D.C. is and if you ever see him out on the line spit in his miserable face for being so selfish and turning his back on everybody but his pimp that tells him where to go and what to say. Off the soapbox now....

Lot of hostility in that post friend.

I know D.A. personally and although we don't necessarily agree with one another on everything we debate our differences in a friendly manner. We see eye to eye on some issues and I find him to be somewhat of a pragmatist. He has gone to bat for some pilots at this company though and he's not the rollover that you make him out to be. I doubt that D.A. has a hidden agenda. He's on our side. Unfortunately he can't deliver something that SGU isn't willing to give up. To blame SAPA's lack of negotiating power on D.A. is shortsighted.

 

[pinkbush]

oh yeah by the way melit thats 3 but whos counting right.

With no association with MELIT, I stand on my own as I call you a queer. You have shiny jet syndrome.

 

[pinkbush]

Melit you can vote for the latest pay proposal it doesn't bother me. Don't get so sensitive tough guy. Your the RETARD that wanted to start slapping people in the face. Bugger off and find a new thread.

HALO_BRO DRIVER....

You need to watch the "R" word man. People are offended by your use of it. Dont be shocked to find yourself in the penalty box or completely banned from these forums. Clean it up.

 

[Russ]

DB
Minus some of the obvious exagerations of the post, there is some truth to his characterizations. You're not the only one who knows DA, DL and DC

 

[Bluto]

With no association with MELIT, I stand on my own as I call you a queer. You have shiny jet syndrome.

You mean he flies the 70 for 50 rates? Let the SJS thing die. The name-calling on here is getting ridiculous. Get a reasonable argument or go home.

 

[SBD-2U3]

Wip-Saw is not an option!!! We will not fall.

 

[(o) (o)]

It's been a while since I left, but it seems like you boys are still suffering from the same ole cr@p!

I'm tired of hearing about how SAPA has done you wrong, again...just bring a real union in already...jeeez!!

 

[KO King]

you guys are stupid if you try and vote in ALPA..... just step back for a min... after we (CMR) take the next round of pay-cuts, the 2nd highest paid regional pilot group will be a non-union carrier(SkyW). Look at all the ALPA and Teamsters pilot groups and how bad their pay is..great representation huh?...pretty obvious to me. Just remember the good with the bad. We here at CMR would love an inhouse.

jm2c



COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!!!

 

[rtmcfi]

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!!!

Are you satisfied with your current representation? How will you vote on the new pay agreement?

 

[pipers]

HALO_BRO DRIVER....

You need to watch the "R" word man. People are offended by your use of it. Dont be shocked to find yourself in the penalty box or completely banned from these forums. Clean it up.

and 'pinkbush' isn't offensive to some people?

 

[amcnd]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

 

[mckpickle]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

NO NO NO!!! You have no scope clause so Skywest holdings can operate two entirely separate companies. You'll be whipshawed to death but will not be combined.

Good luck. Go union.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If SkyWest votes YES to ALPA. They are also voting Yes to DOH with ASA..

Hey Primate breath,
By the way, nice company id photo. If SKYW pilots choose ALPA it would be a vote for ALPA mediated merger if that were to happen. You really should research before posting, that's what the opposable thumbs are for. I know you thought those thumbs were for sticking in your butt, thats just a side benefit.
PBR

 

[21stDustDevil]

Teamsters -vs- ALPA

Holy....what a slap in the face Bam y'all need to get a union and I mean right quick hopefully all your newbie kool-aid drinkers will vote it in.

Well, for once in my lifetime, I would hope to see all you young pilots please pick carefully. ALPA certainly hasn't done anything for anyone as far as I have been around. Just look at what they did to TWA! Why do you think MESA is at the bottom! How about Eagle with a 16 year contract and flowbacks that screw everyone below them! And most recently, they just left Trans States to dogs too! ALPA seems to be about quantity over quality. Membership over protections. Not good. Teamsters, on the other hand, seem to be a good bet. They approach everything just the opposite of ALPA. No under the table sweetheart deals with management. They have the best contracts in the regional industry, Horizon being the lead. NetJets isn't bad either. Chatauqua has great bennies, even though the pay could be better. Even with the bennies, it puts their contract up there with the above average contracts. I would challenge everyone to take a good look at the Teamsters. If you think they are no better than ALPA, I would think that you would find that they were at least the better of two evils. Let's see who will be next...

 

[pinkbush]

Well, for once in my lifetime, I would hope to see all you young pilots please pick carefully. ALPA certainly hasn't done anything for anyone as far as I have been around. Just look at what they did to TWA! Why do you think MESA is at the bottom! How about Eagle with a 16 year contract and flowbacks that screw everyone below them! And most recently, they just left Trans States to dogs too! ALPA seems to be about quantity over quality. Membership over protections. Not good. Teamsters, on the other hand, seem to be a good bet. They approach everything just the opposite of ALPA. No under the table sweetheart deals with management. They have the best contracts in the regional industry, Horizon being the lead. NetJets isn't bad either. Chatauqua has great bennies, even though the pay could be better. Even with the bennies, it puts their contract up there with the above average contracts. I would challenge everyone to take a good look at the Teamsters. If you think they are no better than ALPA, I would think that you would find that they were at least the better of two evils. Let's see who will be next...

Focus everyone (SKW), this is an intelligent statement. Look around you and watch the destruction of ALPA. I believe in representation, but dont dig your own grave as many have done in the past. SKW is a great company only to be ruined for all if ALPA is voted in. The results of ALPA are all around you. Do you want a lifestyle like that?

 

[rtmcfi]

Has anyone here worked with both teamsters and alpa? Please chime in with what you saw as the differences between the two. I would really like to hear from someone who volunteered with both groups, thereby seeing wich national level organization was the best for a regional level pilot.
The end results of the contract have more to do with your local representation, than with your national affiliation. It is pretty easy to look up the results of the CBA's. Horizons pay scales may be a result of a strong local that got good results despite their national support. The same could be said for Air Wisconsin's last good contract. I think it is too simplistic to point to a couple of contracts and say with any certainty which union is better. So, if any of you have worked with both unions, and had first hand interaction with both, I would love to hear your comments. Were both national level groups supportive? Any concerns with either group?

 

[DrewBlows]

Deleted. I was suckered into responding to flame bait.

 

[Shobra]

Don't forget that new hires are now getting paid while in training. How about some retro pay for those of you that had to suffer through training for a couple of months with Zero income? How's that make you feel? I don't think it would be warm and fuzzy? How about you go buy your own Jepps huh that's a good one.