Skywest New Pay Proposal........nice Slap In The Face.......lets Flush It Down!!!

[Sedona16]

The "lawyer sapa reps" have all turned out showing their true colors as push comes to shove. Both D.A. and D.L. talked a good game when looking for election but now its pretty apparent they are just bucking for Chief Pilot jobs. D.L. times out at 60 pretty soon and is doing everything (including selling out his 2000 plus pillot brothers and sisters) to get his and his alone. Makes me sick. D.C. the Sapa "communication director" is even worse in my opinion. Funny how when its convenient to bash union drives he doesnt mind spouting off on his own personal opinions then when something as important as this p.o.s. T.A. is offered hes all tight lipped on his opinion. He knows its total garbage but hes after that chief pilot position in San Diego so wont say anything negative.....all of a sudden he takes the stance that he shouldnt give his personal view. Hes afraid that Brad Holt who he gave his login password for the Sapa forum too wont give him the promised position if he says what he really thinks. Total sell out and should be banned from any position that affects the quality of life and well being of those he should have stuck up for. Ask skywest pilots who D.C. is and if you ever see him out on the line spit in his miserable face for being so selfish and turning his back on everybody but his pimp that tells him where to go and what to say. Off the soapbox now....

 

[scangadah]

I guess we'll see. Hopefully not too much more.
Praying for a 100% NO VOTE.

Well, that is not going to happen. I just flew with a brand new FO that told me that he was "so happy not to be flying a 172 , he would not balk at any pay proposal".

How can ya argue with that logic?

 

[scangadah]

The "lawyer sapa reps" have all turned out showing their true colors as push comes to shove. Both D.A. and D.L. talked a good game when looking for election but now its pretty apparent they are just bucking for Chief Pilot jobs. .

I can tell you first hand that D.A. has NO intention of a CP job.

 

[Ralgha]

Well, that is not going to happen. I just flew with a brand new FO that told me that he was "so happy not to be flying a 172 , he would not balk at any pay proposal".

How can ya argue with that logic?

Did you slap him?

 

[scangadah]

Did you slap him?

Naw, I just told him to go check the LAV door.

 

[Sedona16]

Maybe so but its already been verified that the other two Daves have and are. D.A. seemed the most level headed of the bunch but now after months of no information he comes out with this and his opening statement: "Sapa is pleased to...bring you this" (paraphrase). Hard to reconcile his election rhetoric with this proposal. Have some backbone D.A. and integrity to just come out and say management NEVER bargained in good faith and this proposal sux....period...end of story. Why would he not do this in light of what is being offered? It comes down to not wanting to upset "The Man" more than not wanting to upset the pilots he purports to represent. A reasonable human being has to question D.A. loyalties for manuevering in such elusive ways and not stating the case for what it is.

I can tell you first hand that D.A. has NO intention of a CP job.

 

[Ralgha]

Naw, I just told him to go check the LAV door.

Make sure he opens it and inspects the fittings too!

 

[scangadah]

Maybe so but its already been verified that the other two Daves have and are. D.A. seemed the most level headed of the bunch but now after months of no information he comes out with this and his opening statement: "Sapa is pleased to...bring you this" (paraphrase). Hard to reconcile his election rhetoric with this proposal. Have some backbone D.A. and integrity to just come out and say management NEVER bargained in good faith and this proposal sux....period...end of story. Why would he not do this in light of what is being offered? It comes down to not wanting to upset "The Man" more than not wanting to upset the pilots he purports to represent. A reasonable human being has to question D.A. loyalties for manuevering in such elusive ways and not stating the case for what it is.

I cannot answer for the other two Daves. You raise very valid points about the PRES. I cannot answer those questions. I can only comment on D.A.'s aspirations for a CP job.

Of course it is really easy to sit here, somewhat anonymously and say, "hey SGU, up yours". But when you get into the meting room and SGU says here is what you get, now get out (paraphrasing, I have no idea how they go) The options are numbered. Please, before you all incinerate me, I am not sticking up for this POS TA at all. Just Defending D. A.'s integrity as a fellow pilot.

 

[Sedona16]

I cannot answer for the other two Daves. You raise very valid points about the PRES. I cannot answer those questions. I can only comment on D.A.'s aspirations for a CP job.

Of course it is really easy to sit here, somewhat anonymously and say, "hey SGU, up yours". But when you get into the meting room and SGU says here is what you get, now get out (paraphrasing, I have no idea how they go) The options are numbered. Please, before you all incinerate me, I am not sticking up for this POS TA at all. Just Defending D. A.'s integrity as a fellow pilot.

Well thats the whole point isnt it. These guys run knowing they will be going into scary board rooms which i believe actually turns into friendly dinners at the Ritz and management including Mr. Atkin himself being real nice and explaining the "weve got to be competitive" and you are one of the few people intelligent enough to recognize how we cant offer much right now but in a few years we are going to pay you all back. "Fact is we care greatly about you pilots and thats why we have to use tough love so that we can underbid all other carriers and help hire more of your pilot friends....we are counting on you to help some of your less understanding pilot brothers see the light as they dont have your intelligence. Hey theres miss Atkin....she baked you some cookies to welcome you to your new position. Btw we arent using the house boat this week if you have any time why dont you take the family down...wait, ill call scheduling myself...."

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Well thats the whole point isnt it. These guys run knowing they will be going into scary board rooms which i believe actually turns into friendly dinners at the Ritz and management including Mr. Atkin himself being real nice and explaining the "weve got to be competitive" and you are one of the few people intelligent enough to recognize how we cant offer much right now but in a few years we are going to pay you all back. "Fact is we care greatly about you pilots and thats why we have to use tough love so that we can underbid all other carriers and help hire more of your pilot friends....we are counting on you to help some of your less understanding pilot brothers see the light as they dont have your intelligence. Hey theres miss Atkin....she baked you some cookies to welcome you to your new position. Btw we arent using the house boat this week if you have any time why dont you take the family down...wait, ill call scheduling myself...."

Very well done. It's just more proof why the in-house country club doesn't work. All the SAPA reps are either worried about losing their management jobs or flying jobs. They contiually to refuse to look at the pilot group as a whole. When a Union is voted we need to ban SAPA workhorses from attempting to be at any and all future negotiations. There term is Over!!!!!!!!

 

[viper548]

Well, that is not going to happen. I just flew with a brand new FO that told me that he was "so happy not to be flying a 172 , he would not balk at any pay proposal".

How can ya argue with that logic?

New FOs get about a 25 cent raise. No profit sharing or incentive bonus. No retro pay. I can't think of ANY reason why a first year pilot should vote yes

 

[Green]

PBRstreetgang,


The funny thing is that the general would probably be making more than at least half your pilots if he did take that home depot job. But he wouldn't be flying a shiny new rj around. Chicks dig that right?

 

[scangadah]

Very well done. It's just more proof why the in-house country club doesn't work. All the SAPA reps are either worried about losing their management jobs or flying jobs. They contiually to refuse to look at the pilot group as a whole. When a Union is voted we need to ban SAPA workhorses from attempting to be at any and all future negotiations. There term is Over!!!!!!!!

Agreed

No argument there

 

[viper548]

Very well done. It's just more proof why the in-house country club doesn't work. All the SAPA reps are either worried about losing their management jobs or flying jobs. They contiually to refuse to look at the pilot group as a whole. When a Union is voted we need to ban SAPA workhorses from attempting to be at any and all future negotiations. There term is Over!!!!!!!!

There are some very vocal pro-union guys on the skywest boards. hopefully some of them would like to represent us when we get alpa. sapa is just a management training camp

 

[Wacopilot]

you guys are stupid if you try and vote in ALPA..... just step back for a min... after we (CMR) take the next round of pay-cuts, the 2nd highest paid regional pilot group will be a non-union carrier(SkyW). Look at all the ALPA and Teamsters pilot groups and how bad their pay is..great representation huh?...pretty obvious to me. Just remember the good with the bad. We here at CMR would love an inhouse.

jm2c

Waco

 

[viper548]

you guys are stupid if you try and vote in ALPA..... just step back for a min... after we (CMR) take the next round of pay-cuts, the 2nd highest paid regional pilot group will be a non-union carrier(SkyW). Look at all the ALPA and Teamsters pilot groups and how bad their pay is..great representation huh?...pretty obvious to me. Just remember the good with the bad. We here at CMR would love an inhouse.

jm2c

Waco

I'd prefer in house at SKW but I think we'd have a better chance of that if we got a union first. There are too many people that would vote no for in house but yes to alpa

 

[Texx]

ASA and ALPA

There are some very vocal pro-union guys on the skywest boards. hopefully some of them would like to represent us when we get alpa. sapa is just a management training camp

If any Skywest pilots have questions about life and or the union at ASA, just ask. There are several that are on this site.

 

[Sedona16]

I dont blame you for thinking this way. Without knowing the history of the last union drive which was for in house you cant know why this wont work on a first time around. First there just isnt enough money to run a decent campaign. No sources to draw on for accurate info. Not only did management plaster the company website where every new guy checks in for his trips with anti union...we are a family and will take care of you....just give us a chance to show you.....rhetoric but our own so called reps (Sapa) went on an all out missinformation campaign of their own supplied by management. Management also hired a slick marketing firm to come up with persuasive anti union garb aimed at the newbs who are just so happy to shed the 152's. Guess what? It worked really well. Vote failed miserably. The "18 month 70 for 50 rates" was conducted the same way. Bottom line is management gets a grin now when someone says the pilots wont go for this. If past performance predicts future outcome they figure they can shove about anything down our throats now. Just liven it up with a little marketing campaign, have the Sapa reps talk to all the newbs in groundschool....its a done deal.

Anyway the short of the long of it is that ALPA is the only organization that has a chance for success at a regional airline where frankly lots of info is required to educate a relatively young group who proves time and time again (due to the constant influx) to be relatively unsophisticated. ALPA wont solve all our problems but if youve been at Skywest more than a couple years you will know quality of life has been severely defficated upon and its gettin deaper....its just too easy now that management doesnt seem to care about moral they have screwed us and we quarter after quarter are still number one this and that. We have proved to them they can take anything and we will still keep them on top. The bucks got to stop and Alpa represents at the very least a tool to slow the erosion even if we dont get our Christmas wish list right away.

you guys are stupid if you try and vote in ALPA..... just step back for a min... after we (CMR) take the next round of pay-cuts, the 2nd highest paid regional pilot group will be a non-union carrier(SkyW). Look at all the ALPA and Teamsters pilot groups and how bad their pay is..great representation huh?...pretty obvious to me. Just remember the good with the bad. We here at CMR would love an inhouse.

jm2c

Waco

 

[Puck Mugger]

I'd prefer in house at SKW but I think we'd have a better chance of that if we got a union first. There are too many people that would vote no for in house but yes to alpa

The problem with an in house union is lack of CASH. With 2000 pilot your dues would really cover not much more than a pizza party every month or two.

ALPA is more than a bargaining agent. They provide representation, aeromedical, legal, etc., etc. All services which would be non existent with an in house union due to lack of dues revenue. With out those services what good is the in house association???

 

[FreightNazi]

The problem with an in house union is lack of CASH. With 2000 pilot your dues would really cover not much more than a pizza party every month or two.

ALPA is more than a bargaining agent. They provide representation, aeromedical, legal, etc., etc. All services which would be non existent with an in house union due to lack of dues revenue. With out those services what good is the in house association???

Oh yeah?