Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sweptback]

What do you think the chances of ASA's contract being renegotiated prior to the amendable date are?

Pretty good. We had 30 or so letters of agreements in the last book, some that even increased our pay or improved our QOL.

 

[Gandalf]

i don't care about the non-union versus union argument. my question is, what did the skywest pilots give up for this?

our souls.

 

[Flybywire44]

Nice.

 

[Shobra]

I love the fact that they want to take away the increases in the BHO before they ever go into effect. I can see it now...

"8% those stupid pilots don't deserve 8%"

"how about we offer them 1% COLA and something else to distract them and we lock the BHO at 5% then we can get rid of the largest cost from the LAST pay vote" ......
"brillant lets go for drinks"

And how in the ...... did dispatch get a raise TWICE as large, 2% COLA why do we only get 1%?

It's like leaving a penny for a tip.
It's not that you forgot to tip, it's just that you wanted to give the highest insult possible to the person by letting them know how horrible, you think they are!!!!

 

[Shobra]

And Xpoo just made it to the ignore list. I suggest everyone do they same. Why listen to the garbage. Sorry, his arguments don't justify any more response.

 

[XPOO]

Well Shobra, I would answer your jumping-to-conclusions question with a very good answer. But since I am on the ignore list and you won't be able to see anything I say, unless someone else quotes my words for their own post, you will never get the answer for which you desire. So I emplore you to go ahead and think that I said something really assanine that will allow you to spew 'lareger amounts of feces' out of your mouth and transform them into henpecks on the keyboard. Try not to spit beer all over your screen and you may just want to use about half the gel in your hair that you have been lately. Also, that iPod just makes you look like you are trying to impress the 14 year olds running around the airport. Grow up.

 

[ex j-41]

No Union equals 2% raise...

 

[Erlanger]

No Union equals 2% raise...

Hope you're ready for the onslaught!

 

[XPOO]

Erlanger, that was 100% flame bait, and it was totally intentional. You know that.

 

[Flyerdan]

The Profit Sharing plan at Skywest, Performance Rewards I think it's called, was introduced three years ago. ASA is still trying to catch up to that one. Same holding company. ASA got about 75% of the Skywest program with their new contract. Maybe they'll catch up with their next contract. There are some that doubt the 75% number but they don't understand their own contract yet. Anyway, ASA almost caught up with Skyweest with their last contract on that program so does that count for Skywest "setting the bar?"

The proposed pay scale at Skywest essentially equals the pay scale at ASA. 1 % COLA in each scale. Payscales essentially the same. Would you expect Skywest Inc. to offer Skywest pilots a whole lot more than they just agreed to pay ASA pilots? If so, why? What sense would it make for Skywest Inc. to pay Skywest pilots a whole lot more than ASA pilots? Because Skywest pilots think they "deserve" it? What sense would it make for Skywest pilots to expect a whole lot more form Skywest Inc.?

Reject it! Send it back to SAPA to "negotiate" more. What do you expect the outcome to be? A whole lot more? Why?

Ok, then. Reject it because you "deserve" more. Once you get past that emotional reaction, take a deep breath and look around and see where you are. How'd that work out when the offer was rejected in November, 2005? A year later, a new scale was approved in 2006. The new scale went into effect in January, 2007. Skywest pilots ought to reject this one because they "deserve" more. Right. See where that gets you. If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. What's the history?

This was a well thought out post and I would like to see the questions you asked answered as well. All I have seen is an emotional response from people so far. It isn't very useful.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Skywest current scale was approved by the pilots in late 2006. It had an expiration date of 2010. The scale has already been renegotiated and voting to approve or reject the new scale will start on January 20th and end on January 30th. The possiblity to renogitiate in 6 months exists at Skywest.

What do you think the chances of ASA's contract being renegotiated prior to the amendable date are?

Well that kind of makes our case, doesn't it? Your pay scale with an "expiration of 2010" has already been "renegotiated" several times. That means it isn't worth the paper its written on because the company can "negotaiate" with SAPA then impose whatever they want any time. The only reason it was a raise the last few times was that other regionals secured raised for themselves and SkyWest matched. When the tidal wave everyone is predicting finally hits the regionals, and the other airlines start failing or taking concessions, you will be one of the first and hardest to fall.

Why? Unlike the rest of us, your management DOES NOT need your permission to change your "policy manual" which contains all of your work rules and your pay!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well Shobra, I would answer your jumping-to-conclusions question with a very good answer. But since I am on the ignore list and you won't be able to see anything I say, unless someone else quotes my words for their own post, you will never get the answer for which you desire. So I emplore you to go ahead and think that I said something really assanine that will allow you to spew 'lareger amounts of feces' out of your mouth and transform them into henpecks on the keyboard. Try not to spit beer all over your screen and you may just want to use about half the gel in your hair that you have been lately. Also, that iPod just makes you look like you are trying to impress the 14 year olds running around the airport. Grow up.

I got your back XPOO. I'll go ahead and quote it for you.

 

[XPOO]

You rock!

 

[Flyerdan]

Well that kind of makes our case, doesn't it? Your pay scale with an "expiration of 2010" has already been "renegotiated" several times. That means it isn't worth the paper its written on because the company can "negotiate" with SAPA then impose whatever they want any time. The only reason it was a raise the last few times was that other regionals secured raised for themselves and SkyWest matched. When the tidal wave everyone is predicting finally hits the regionals, and the other airlines start failing or taking concessions, you will be one of the first and hardest to fall.

Why? Unlike the rest of us, your management DOES NOT need your permission to change your "policy manual" which contains all of your work rules and your pay!

OK, I agree with this to a point. I do feel though that the real driving forces are supply & demand (market), and the overall strength of the economy, as opposed to a union membership. It seems to me that historically the unions have helped negotiate pay cuts and furloughs just as often as they have negotiated pay raises. I'm not against unions here, just pointing out that economic forces, markets, & bankruptcies seem to be the major influences.

 

[BoilerUP]

OK, I agree with this to a point. I do feel though that the real driving forces are supply & demand (market), and the overall strength of the economy, as opposed to a union membership. It seems to me that historically the unions have helped negotiate pay cuts and furloughs just as often as they have negotiated pay raises. I'm not against unions here, just pointing out that economic forces, markets, & bankruptcies seem to be the major influences.

Have you read Hard Landing and Flying the Line, Volume 2?

It might help you better understand how "market forces" and bankruptcies affect collective bargaining in this industry.

A fringe benefit will be an education in pattern bargaining...