Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vtech]

Our COLA is 1% with ALPA, and the "signing bonus" didn't even equal what we would have had if we were paid Skywest rates for those 6 years...... The ALPA Koolaid is thick....

Wait. Wait. Wait.

You guys got that RETRO PAY, right? You mean it wasn't worth that much in the long run?

That can't be true, can it?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wait. Wait. Wait.

You guys got that RETRO PAY, right? You mean it wasn't worth that much in the long run?

That can't be true, can it?

It's true.....If we had just matched CMR rates when we started, we would have made more those 6 years...... In fact some of us advocated that.......

The "bonus" wasn't 100% retro, nor COLA.....

Be careful of the "spin zone".......

 

[vtech]

JoeMerchant,

Astonishing news . . . . . . . . . . . . . .!

 

[JoeMerchant]

JoeMerchant,

Astonishing news . . . . . . . . . . . . . .!

Kinda like the difference between Fox and CNN..... guess which one I am.......

 

[vtech]

Gandalf,

Where the heck are you? You started this thread. Don't you have any more to offer?

 

[vtech]

Very similar to ASA's rates.

An accurate statement.

 

[vtech]

The majority are getting exactly what they deserve.

You mean a pay scale that is essentially equal to the ASA pay scale?

 

[vtech]

SkyNation, look up the pay rates, and rigs (soft money) in our new contract, then subtract 1.95%.

We're still making more than you will be with this joke of a raise.

You may want to consider that remedial math class, John.

 

[vtech]

Unions are never perfect solutions, but your pilot group has shown that without collective bargaining you have LITTLE to show for your efforts. Zip.

Well, it's your bed and now you have to sleep in it...

Yep. I'll sleep on my pay scale pillow that's comparable to the ASA contract and my pillow will have another 1.95% in it. Goodnight.

 

[Nightrain_080]

i don't care about the non-union versus union argument. my question is, what did the skywest pilots give up for this?

Enough of the ALPA vs sapa tirade. Lets talk about what we have lost in the last 10 years. Get yo siht straight.......

We used to have 12 days off minimum. Now we have 10 days off minimum. Isn't that enough? PBS, sked minus, and even more fcukery while your a reservist. ready reserve, no seniority transparency, bucket system which destroys seniority. Oh hell do we really need to go on.

According to skynag and Vpecks we are blessed with BHO...wow....and a quick upgrade. Tis not worth it.

A pay raise to buy an extra tank of gas each week isn't even worth rolling out of bed for. I make more money sleeping in than taking this raise.

Get a clue sapa......we no you have no teeth just admit it and quit acting like you deserve your 105 hours credit for doing nothing but going to your kool-aid drum circles with all the reckless management types......:smash:

The only good news I have heard all month is that worthless secretary we had is finally been ousted. Praise the Lord.

 

[sweptback]

Yep. I'll sleep on my pay scale pillow that's comparable to the ASA contract and my pillow will have another 1.95% in it. Goodnight.

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Also, ASA's contract is amendable in 3 years. Get your facts straight.

 

[vtech]

Also, ASA's contract is amendable in 3 years. Get your facts straight.

Yep. You're absolutely right. And then how long will the contract negotiations take?

 

[vtech]

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Yep. I did think about it. How is it that the Skywest proposal is comparable to the ASA pay scale and the ASA Profit Sharing provisions come out at best at 75% of what the Skywest program provides?

 

[JoeMerchant]

DOS + 3 years = 4 years. You may want to consider that remedial math class along with John. Perhaps you could get a group discount.

Actually, in this case Sweptback is right..... Our contract is amendable in 2010.... It is 3 years....

We are actually 2 years and 10 months away from the next round......Not that it really matters, because we will all still be competing for flying while ALPA pats itself on the back.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Pattern bargaining works whether you are ALPA or not...... How come we don't have Horizon rates on the 700 here at ASA? After all we are mighty ALPA and Horizon is only Teamsters......

What say you Sweptback.....???