Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sweptback]

Yep. I'll sleep on my pay scale pillow that's comparable to the ASA contract and my pillow will have another 1.95% in it. Goodnight.

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Also, ASA's contract is amendable in 3 years. Get your facts straight.

 

[vtech]

Also, ASA's contract is amendable in 3 years. Get your facts straight.

Yep. You're absolutely right. And then how long will the contract negotiations take?

 

[vtech]

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Yep. I did think about it. How is it that the Skywest proposal is comparable to the ASA pay scale and the ASA Profit Sharing provisions come out at best at 75% of what the Skywest program provides?

 

[JoeMerchant]

DOS + 3 years = 4 years. You may want to consider that remedial math class along with John. Perhaps you could get a group discount.

Actually, in this case Sweptback is right..... Our contract is amendable in 2010.... It is 3 years....

We are actually 2 years and 10 months away from the next round......Not that it really matters, because we will all still be competing for flying while ALPA pats itself on the back.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would you have those payrates offered if ASA didn't get them first? Think about it.

Pattern bargaining works whether you are ALPA or not...... How come we don't have Horizon rates on the 700 here at ASA? After all we are mighty ALPA and Horizon is only Teamsters......

What say you Sweptback.....???

 

[SkyNation]

vtech,

I was agreeing with you, and the nitwits I speak of are showing their colors here. most of them don't work for us, those who do would be pissed no matter where they are.

oh well, back to enjoying my life. gotta get up early to get to the bank and cash my Stock Purchase check, you know. nothing like a free $1600 bucks to start the day!

 

[wscrj]

We're worth what the market will bear. Skywest Inc. has determined what the market will bear in negotiations with the ALPA represented ASA pilot group. Skywest pilots have a Profit Sharing program that pays 25% more than the ASA program will AND, if approved, a comparable pay scale. In addition, the Skywest pilot's W-2 will reflect more at the end of the year than an ASA pilot's W-2 because of the work rules. All of the above without the 1.95% kicker the ALPA represented ASA pilot will get to deduct on their tax returns for the "gratuity" to ALPA. I know where I want to be.

I'll vote "YES" and go back to the table next year to discuss further adjustment to the scale if the market will bear it.

The ASA pilot will go back to the table in four years with the help of ALPA and negotiate for who knows how long.

vtech, it's clear what your opinions of ALPA are. I am curious; is it a general dislike of unions in general that drives you, or is it the shortcomings of ALPA in regards to driving regional pay.

There is no shortage of pro/anti union rhetoric here on FI. With that in mind, I'd like to ask you play devils advocate for a moment, and give me a few examples of what ALPA has done to contribute to the profession. Joe M. feel free to chime in as well. And again, without too much contempt, eh?

 

[ce750drvr]

vtech,

I was agreeing with you, and the nitwits I speak of are showing their colors here. most of them don't work for us, those who do would be pissed no matter where they are.

oh well, back to enjoying my life. gotta get up early to get to the bank and cash my Stock Purchase check, you know. nothing like a free $1600 bucks to start the day!

I only read the regional boards because my brother works for CHQ. Some of you dog the fracs, but I make almost $2000 just for working a holiday on my day off, and I have made $65,000 in bonuses in two and a half years at Netjets. Not to mention, the scale tops out at roughly $173,131. You can keep the regionals and the 200 hour wonders that will work for $22/hr. Have some respect and self worth for God sake. Thank you Local 1108. Flame away!

 

[vtech]

wscrj,

I'm not here to demean the many fine contributions that ALPA's existence has fostered for the profession. I'm here to point out the reasonable nature of the pay proposal at Skywest given the contract recently negotiated by ALPA on behalf of ASA pilots. Each pay scale is remarkably similar to the other. That is significant given that Skywest Inc. owns both airlines. How much more can a Skywest pilot reasonably expect if the current proposal is rejected? $.05 per more hour in some instannces? If you get $.05 in one pay category, will you lose it in another? Is it reasonable to reject this pay scale given the circumstances? I think not.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Did your group go almost 7 years without any COLA??
Doubt it...and I know inflation in SGU didn't come close to inflation costs in California!

Actually we did! Last COLA raise was summer 2002....

And inflation in SGU was one of the highest in the nation....

Average home price 2002 $150000 Average home price 1st quarter 2007 $350000. Thanks to all those retirees from California selling houses down there and plopping down cash for a house here.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You put your app. in about 2 1/2 years ago, didn't you, AH? ("AH" doesn't stand for a$$hole, it's the guys initials, OK?)

How's your "roll in this pile of crap" going? Let's see. You've been here about 2 1/2 years and upgraded to Captain in the RJ and you're domiciled in Chicago, right?

With the new proposal, you'll receive a 2.68% increase for the rest of this year and a 1% increase year over year for the following two years, right?

The 1% COLA increase probably won't keep up with inflation but it is equal to ASA's 1% annual cost of living increase for the 4 year life of their contract but you'll at least have the chance to review your pay scale on an annual basis between now and 2010, right? Will the ASA pilot group have that same chance? The ASA pilot group's contract becomes amendable in another 4 years and then they can renegotiate that for another, what, FIVE YEARS after that if they follow their recent history. Sign me up for that ride, you bet.

Meanwhile, the ASA pilot, an employee of your sister carrier also owned by SkyWest Inc., will be making $.05 per hour more than you will over the course of the next three years. Quick Math: That's $150 over the course of the next three years. That's without taking into consideration the approximately (low estimate) $3,648.65 the ASA pilot will pay in ALPA Dues for the privilege of making that $.05 more per hour than you'll make.

That's if you fly the 50 seat airplane exclusively.

So if you vote "NO," you gonna go back and get that $.05/hour? How much more are you gonna get, do you think?

Get a clue, would ya'?

Sorry your career hasn't met your expectations up to this point. It may not be to late for you to get in on the ground floor of an industry where all your wildest dreams can come true. Home Depot is hiring. That's where I here all you Flightinfo, bash SAPA, chest thumping, we want it NOW and the only way to get it is ALPA, dudes seem to think the really great paying jobs are.

Well, well, well. It seems Saint George finally caught onto this discussion and dispatched one of their lackeys to spin more doubt and serve more kool-aid. So who are you? Chief pilot? SGU pencil pusher? Training department?

I don't blame "Gandalf" for refusing to engage you. Though you claim to be acting with the utmost professionalism, it was very unprofessional for you to call him out. But that's SkyWest management's MO. Single out dissenters and make implied threats "we know who you are and we can get you anytime". The Mormon Mafia. "Gandalf" (or AH as you claim) will probably find himself in the chief pilots office next week on trumped up charges of something. How DARE he dissent! Dissenters will be publicly embarrassed then punished!

Now to address your post (and the 5-7 asinine, rambling, and repetitive posts that followed it), I DON'T need to check my remedial math. Your estimate of $0.05 per hour at ASA does not include our duty rigs, "performance plus", and of course, the contractually guaranteed fringe benefits. Oh, and btw, our average line value next month with the rig credit is above 90 hours. On average. So don't lie to us that we're barely making more than you. And the kicker... you could be taking a pay CUT next week, next month, or next year. You just never know. So spare us your thoughts on why you think you have it "better".

Oh, and at least get your facts straight. ASA has a 3 year contract, which was pointed out to you, and instead of admitting your were wrong with dignity, you just blew it off and issued more spin that you were including the negotiating period. Try just manning up and admitting you're wrong when you're wrong. Most likely, we won't go 5 years next time with a Democratic president and congress. But you never know. How long will you guys be negotiating... oh wait, you can't. You just take the scraps Jerry gives you.

Yes, vtech, spare us your thoughts. If you like SkyWest good on you. You have ~2500 pilots and there are 66,000+ ALPA pilots. But I'm sure your 2500 know more than the 66,000. That's why ALPA has been around for 75 years. Which is about 60 years longer than SAPA.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Let's see, work for an airline that is constantly looking to maintain its longevity, and therefore job security, or work for an airline that is malcontent and dwindling away to Chapter 11 every day that passes by. I'll really think hard about that one. If you want more money, by all means, LEAVE and go get it wherever the hell you think it is. SkyWest has an unbeatable track record. But the ALPA chest-thumpers will hop right in and tell you the sky will fall it is only a matter of time. 36 years later, the sky is still right where it was to begin with. Hopefully I just saved this thread 4 pages of useless rhetoric from both camps, but then that would be like hoping American Idol will get cancelled this year.

Um, not to interrupt a goo 'ol union bashing session, but as a DISPATCHER could you explain how you have a dog in this fight, and why your opinion on ALPA really matters?

 

[BoilerUP]

What's the upgrade time at Air Willy

Somewhere around 3 years.

 

[John Pennekamp]

vtech,

I was agreeing with you, and the nitwits I speak of are showing their colors here. most of them don't work for us, those who do would be pissed no matter where they are.

oh well, back to enjoying my life. gotta get up early to get to the bank and cash my Stock Purchase check, you know. nothing like a free $1600 bucks to start the day!

Hmmm, I do work for "you" (you're actually Jerry, right?) so I guess my opinion counts. Let's see.

Yes, this "nitwit" really enjoyed his $11,000 signing bonus check, and I'll enjoy the Performance plus (including SkyWest Inc profit sharing) I'll be getting that will certainly equal yours. That plus my line blocked to 95 hours credit next month at $70 per hour... to fly an ATR. Oh, and I almost forgot, ASA is going to give me a lump sum 401k matching contribution at the end of the month too. Chalk up a couple thousand more.

Yeah, enjoy cashing your $1,600 check. Don't spend it all at one place, now.

 

[AWACO]

E............... I make more money sleeping in than taking this raise...........

I don't support this pay scale either but I must know how you will make more money sleeping in? Are you a prostitute? Do you charge extra extra to spent the mornings with your clients?

 

[XPOO]

Um, not to interrupt a goo 'ol union bashing session, but as a DISPATCHER could you explain how you have a dog in this fight, and why your opinion on ALPA really matters?

Just injecting some sanity into this mundane thread. It's the same rhetoric, just disguised under a new headline every day.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just injecting some sanity into this mundane thread. It's the same rhetoric, just disguised under a new headline every day.

How 'bout your thoughts on PAFCA?

 

[sweptback]

Yep. I did think about it. How is it that the Skywest proposal is comparable to the ASA pay scale and the ASA Profit Sharing provisions come out at best at 75% of what the Skywest program provides?

Bzzz. Try again. ASA and SkyWest have the same profit sharing plan, tailored to each airline.

Where are you getting your 75% data from other than just making it up? The only way that would happen is if we missed all of our performance goals for the quarter.

Oh, and contract negotiations won't take long next time around. Two reasons, most likely a Dem in the White House and we hold the keys for PBS and the company wants it really bad. We'll be able to exchange PBS for a large sum of money, or better work rules (CAL got a $60m bargaining credit for accepting PBS in their last contract, granted we're a much smaller airline).

 

[PBRstreetgang]

vtech,

I was agreeing with you, and the nitwits I speak of are showing their colors here. most of them don't work for us, those who do would be pissed no matter where they are.

oh well, back to enjoying my life. gotta get up early to get to the bank and cash my Stock Purchase check, you know. nothing like a free $1600 bucks to start the day!

Free? Again you are a liar, ESPP only allows a 15% maximum. Do the math again, you are cashing a check that you deposited with money, you payroll deducted with the company(they collected interest), and purchased stock for you. Again you are a lying sack of pathetic ****
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Yaaaawn....here we go again.