Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[flylike44]

i don't care about the non-union versus union argument. my question is, what did the skywest pilots give up for this?

 

[Lazy8]

They would probably be the largest, most successfull regional airline in the world. Oh wait....nevermind.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... Walmart Air!

oh wait....nevermind.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Hmm sounds like Jerry Atkins is pissing off the pilot group. Hmm didn't we say that would happen after they voted the union down. Good luck skypest go head and vote in your pay raise, that is all you will get from uncle Jerry.

 

[vtech]

Couldn't agree more. Hurry, Hurry!!! Put your app. in to SKYW. So you can roll in this pile of crap.

Disgusting.

You put your app. in about 2 1/2 years ago, didn't you, AH? ("AH" doesn't stand for a$$hole, it's the guys initials, OK?)

How's your "roll in this pile of crap" going? Let's see. You've been here about 2 1/2 years and upgraded to Captain in the RJ and you're domiciled in Chicago, right?

With the new proposal, you'll receive a 2.68% increase for the rest of this year and a 1% increase year over year for the following two years, right?

The 1% COLA increase probably won't keep up with inflation but it is equal to ASA's 1% annual cost of living increase for the 4 year life of their contract but you'll at least have the chance to review your pay scale on an annual basis between now and 2010, right? Will the ASA pilot group have that same chance? The ASA pilot group's contract becomes amendable in another 4 years and then they can renegotiate that for another, what, FIVE YEARS after that if they follow their recent history. Sign me up for that ride, you bet.

Meanwhile, the ASA pilot, an employee of your sister carrier also owned by SkyWest Inc., will be making $.05 per hour more than you will over the course of the next three years. Quick Math: That's $150 over the course of the next three years. That's without taking into consideration the approximately (low estimate) $3,648.65 the ASA pilot will pay in ALPA Dues for the privilege of making that $.05 more per hour than you'll make.

That's if you fly the 50 seat airplane exclusively.

So if you vote "NO," you gonna go back and get that $.05/hour? How much more are you gonna get, do you think?

Get a clue, would ya'?

Sorry your career hasn't met your expectations up to this point. It may not be to late for you to get in on the ground floor of an industry where all your wildest dreams can come true. Home Depot is hiring. That's where I here all you Flightinfo, bash SAPA, chest thumping, we want it NOW and the only way to get it is ALPA, dudes seem to think the really great paying jobs are.

 

[SkyNation]

Vtech,

don't try to speak logic and truth to idiots. They'll only get louder.

 

[Spicepilots]

I don't think they have to wait until Delta / United merge. Flying is already being dumped in Salt Lake and LAX. And why are their 46 reserve lines in Denver? Yeah - something tells me they're a little overstocked in all departments. How much longer do you think they're going to allow folks to sit around making gaurantee without touching a plane all month?

To this day it still amazes me that some of the folks there have such a hardon for the place... I mean. It's a regional. ...and it's about to remind them.

Just wait until Delta and NWA announce their merger. I wouldn't be so cavalier about assuming you know what goes on here when the next sound you could hear is the sound of Memphis being shut down. Nobody's jobs are safe, we're all doing contracted flying, and we go where and when they want us to.

 

[vtech]

Vtech,

don't try to speak logic and truth to idiots. They'll only get louder.

Simmer down just a bit. Calling the people who are opposed to this agreement "idiots" does nothing for the debate. I'm just trying to point out some facts that might be lost in the emotion.

 

[Flyer1015]

New Skywest payrates...

Don't worry, their union can fight for higher wages.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh wait

 

[vtech]

Absolutely joke of a COLA . . .

You're talking about ASA's COLA that took FIVE YEARS to negotiate, right? Let's see, same holding company, SkyWest Inc., and you're gonna say "NO" and go back and get a whole bunch more. Is that what you're thinking?

 

[vtech]

. . . Oh, and the ASA profit sharing bonus program (not sure what they call it), that will pay about 75% of what the SkyWest pilots have had for the past three years, isn't it? ALPA, with all those high powered contract negotiating specialists advising the CNC was able to achieve 75% of what the SkyWest pilots have had for the last three years in just over FIVE YEARS of negotiating. Excellent work.

Meanwhile, SAPA has achieved a pay scale comprable to the ASA pay scale in 68 DAYS. Go figure.

 

[CRJFlyer]

This all kinda sounds like................................................................................

my penis is $0.65 larger than yours.

 

[vtech]

. . . . . HaHahahahahahahahahhaha!!!!, indeed!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Vtech is right.......

Joe (former ALPA officer and supporter)

PS..... If what Vtech says pisses off you ALPA cheerleaders, then you better start working to reform ALPA......

 

[XPOO]

Let's see, work for an airline that is constantly looking to maintain its longevity, and therefore job security, or work for an airline that is malcontent and dwindling away to Chapter 11 every day that passes by. I'll really think hard about that one. If you want more money, by all means, LEAVE and go get it wherever the hell you think it is. SkyWest has an unbeatable track record. But the ALPA chest-thumpers will hop right in and tell you the sky will fall it is only a matter of time. 36 years later, the sky is still right where it was to begin with. Hopefully I just saved this thread 4 pages of useless rhetoric from both camps, but then that would be like hoping American Idol will get cancelled this year.

 

[vtech]

Gandalf, [a/k/a A.H. in real life, a Skywest ORD RJ CA with 2.5 years total time at Skywest]

I know you're out there. What's your response?

 

[vtech]

Gandalf,

Come on. Come out and play.

 

[JoeMerchant]

He's busy drinking Herndon Koolaid.......

I wonder how he would be doing at Mesa, Trans States, EGL or PNCL....... would he be better off?

What's the upgrade time at Air Willy or CMR?

What happened to ACA, Alleghany, and CCAir?

Shhhhhh...... we don't talk about those things.....

They are/were ALPA...... did they reach Nirvana?

 

[wscrj]

a 1.95% investment

vtech, it's OK with me if you believe that ALPA would not have been able to get you more. Truth is, we'll never know. A few things though:

1) You seem to think I throw away my 1.95%. Truth is, that is a 1.95% investment that I make each year in my profession, so that BOTH of us might enjoy a better career (since your non-union house will HAVE to meet or exceed what my union house achieves). Only problem is, I'm the only one paying it, and yet you benefit. I'm sure you're a smart guy and can realize that that would chafe those of us shouldering a heavier load.

2) For or against ALPA, you must realize that a lot of the work done by ALPA is to combat such big ticket items as cabotage, foreign ownership, multi-crew licenses, etc. Again, MY dues( because I pay them) go to effect or resist changes that benefit all aviators. How are those at SKYW helping?

3) Matching or even exceeding (slightly) a union shops wages is not an accomplishment. Achieving those wages in the first place was. Certainly, you agree that SKYW would never pay much more than the going rate. I'm not talking a buck or two here and there, I mean REAL improvements.

The problem is, SKYW never takes a turn setting the bar. You are always matching the work done by others. Sadly, there are ALPA carriers that have assumed the same stance (AS, for example. However, AS is currently negotiating, so we'll see if they rise to the occasion).

These points are not meant as an attack. They are meant to inform. FI has generally degraded into name calling and ignorance when it comes to two people with conflicting ideas. I am attempting to avoid both.

I truly hope those of you at SKYW are able to achieve more than what was offered. You are certainly worth it, are you not?

 

[vtech]

vtech, it's OK with me if you believe that ALPA would not have been able to get you more. Truth is, we'll never know. A few things though:

[The virtues of ALPA]

I truly hope those of you at SKYW are able to achieve more than what was offered. You are certainly worth it, are you not?

We're worth what the market will bear. Skywest Inc. has determined what the market will bear in negotiations with the ALPA represented ASA pilot group. Skywest pilots have a Profit Sharing program that pays 25% more than the ASA program will AND, if approved, a comparable pay scale. In addition, the Skywest pilot's W-2 will reflect more at the end of the year than an ASA pilot's W-2 because of the work rules. All of the above without the 1.95% kicker the ALPA represented ASA pilot will get to deduct on their tax returns for the "gratuity" to ALPA. I know where I want to be.

I'll vote "YES" and go back to the table next year to discuss further adjustment to the scale if the market will bear it.

The ASA pilot will go back to the table in four years with the help of ALPA and negotiate for who knows how long.