Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[kj6991]

How did this thread get turned into a pissing contest between dispatchers and captains? that's a ridiculous place for this to end up. Like nurses v. doctors. We all have our roles, both indispensible, but noone's confused about the role of the captain. There are good dispatchers and bad ones and a whole lot of inexperienced ones. Man i love a good one- they really help. A bad one can launch you into dangerous situations and never really get why you're pissed at them. We could self-dispatch- but it's way more efficient to have the help- but caution to lean on them entirely- you do have to think to be a captain. in the end-why dignify the debate by responding to the flame? i could care less -

what i care about is why the skywest pilots have been the best young pilots in the regional business for 6+ years and can't get pay up remotely close to inflation? It's a slap in the face. I don't care who you are= that's f***ing incredible.

I agree 100%... I voted for unionization, voted no on the new payscale, and agree it's a slap in the face. It's all relevant. But to see see a 10 year CA and dispatcher bickering back and forth is a little bit disheartening, especially since we have such a great employee group. And PBR, I agree the dispatching lacks a bit because I have yet to receive an ACARS message as well for anything, and I mean anything, but you knew the weight SKW puts on captians before you signed up for the gig. It should be nothing new to you. But you wanna argue back and forth with this guy over a flightinfo forum? Who gives a sh!t when you really think about it. It's not gonna get you that updated ACARS alternate weather message when you need it in BTM next week during the blizzard at 11:30pm.

 

[Pit]

Wally,
As a line pilot I have flown every region of the SKYW operation. I will stand by my statement, I have never received an unsolicited ACARS. Who have I been dealing with? Don't know, thats not my problem. My point is that most of what you do is automated, via Aerodata and the computer. If you want the pilot group in your corner when the SGU brain trust decides to determine if the human element is necessary for flt. ops, your group as a whole is gonna step up. When I ACARS dispatch, I am already checking fuel burns on the FLT plan page, so when I get a ACARS from you guys my info is already in place and yours is just a back up.
I am not "bitter" nor do I hate SKYW, I am a survivor, I will not abdicate responsibility to you or anyone else, that is what keeps me alive after 20+ years of flying for money. So If I offend your delicate sensibilities, too bad.

Make my day easier, thats rich! Idiots like xpoop who laughs about deferred APUs, FMSs, and the like are what makes me think about you, and your ilk.

As far as My ego, I check that at home, egos kill pilots and pax, if I thought you could make the difference, I would ask. I treat everyone at SKYW and the airport like I would like to be treated, novel concept for a pilot huh?

You might take note, I have never told you and your work group to unionize or not, that decision is yours and yours alone, yet you come here and tell me how to manage my career, how bout a nice tall frosty glass of STFU for you, with no respect!

Whatever gets you through the day.
PBR

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

 

[jea]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

Nobody has any respect for pbr- not even his mother... yep I said it... ha ha ha hah a

 

[waveflyer]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

Relax. I have an ego. Enormous. Couldn't be a very good pilot w/o it. Try doing a procedure turn non-precision approach in the mountains w/ thunderstorms around if you're not bloody good and confident in what you do. But i've put in the work- and i'm confident that the majority of skywest pilots have as well.

Everyone wants the other to walk in their shoes. Rampers say the same thing. Gate agent's, station managers, and flight attendants too. Certainly our management does. I worked in a fast food restaurant when i was 15- it was hard work! Should i have been respected and paid more than a pilot b/c of that? PBR's attitude is awful- but he's right- I can do your job-and every other job in the airlines (except mechanic) w/ a week's training or less. It would take you years to learn to do my FO's job- can you walk in our shoes? or does that question only apply to non-dispatchers? So just relax. I appreciate you. I'm sure skywest has you doing the absolute max for the min in compensation- but you can't compare jobs. Trying to doesn't reflect well on you anymore than PBR's attitude reflects well on him.

Now go get a raise pilots. You've earned it!

 

[WateryGrave]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

You just paid 10 bucks to post that...

Wow PBR you've really pissed some people off!

 

[Goose Egg]

I don't think they have to wait until Delta / United merge. Flying is already being dumped in Salt Lake and LAX. And why are their 46 reserve lines in Denver? Yeah - something tells me they're a little overstocked in all departments.

Right. That's why I was awarded a 100 hour line next month, and all attempts to drop trips have been rendered futile because of "insufficient reserve coverage." And this is on equipment that is supposedly going away. Dang those red arrows!!! Who's coat tails do I have to thank for those?

-Goose

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You just paid 10 bucks to post that...

Wow PBR you've really pissed some people off!

Well, I do what I can. It seems that since the FAA started issuing plastic credit card style certificates, a few back office pogues think that because they look like PILOT certificates they are the same. My position is, if you want to be treated like a professional you gotta act like one, and do your job accordingly. That means real time flight following, ect.
Just doing my small part, keeping aviation real!
PBR

 

[BigLebowski]

Oh really...I used to work at a union carrier, and they never followed the contract. Why don't you explain to me how a union contract works with all your years of wisdom dealing with one.

Oh wait...you never worked for one.

haha

Not sure what you mean, but if you work at SkyWest, your job is still in jeopardy...it's called working at an airline. Of course, if SkyWest furloughs...they could furlough out of seniority, or by base, or whatever suits them...one more reason I wish we had union representation. Thanks 67%ers. You're right, at that point, pay doesn't matter, but I think strong representation still would.

 

[jayme]

The difference being, of course, that if the contract gets violated there are ALPA lawyers available to take the bastards to court. When SkyWest violates our "agreement", there is no recourse whatsoever. But you probably knew that, having worked for a union carrier and all.

 

[Nevets]

Oh really...I used to work at a union carrier, and they never followed the contract. Why don't you explain to me how a union contract works with all your years of wisdom dealing with one.

Oh wait...you never worked for one.

haha

If the contract is violated, you file a grievance. Eventually you can have a neutral rule on the issue. How does it work at Skywest?

 

[scarlet]

retro check??= NOTHING....

 

[scarlet]

And when Midwest is gone? so goes all that flying...

BYE BYE Midwest..

 

[Pit]

My position is, if you want to be treated like a professional you gotta act like one, and do your job accordingly.
PBR

Then how about you start doing so!!!!

 

[jea]

Then how about you start doing so!!!!

Nice call! see the problem is... Nobody has ever treated him with respect so he thinks its the norm. He's the kind of guy that feels if he can put you down you will look up to him in some odd way... can you imagine a 4 day trip with a guy like this? I'd bet hes the most bid avoided Captain ever at SkyWest.

 

[XPOO]

PBRstreetgang,

No matter how much you try to make yourself out to look like the good-guy, everyone on FI.com can clearly see that you are the biggest tool on here. By my estimation, out of 2,500 pilots, having only one complete ******* out of the whole group is not that bad of a percentage. I no longer feel the need to keep proving to the rest of the members just how much of a tool you are. You have done quite nicely all on your own. And I thank you for saving me the trouble.

Furthermore, Mr. PBRstreetgang, I am fully aware that you fly one aircraft one leg at a time. Maybe one to six segments in one day. Perhaps, even three or four different aircraft in one day. I am also fully aware that you have someone backing you up on every flight sitting in the right seat and that both of you, along with your dispatcher, are fully responsible for the safety of each flight you so diligently take on.

However, you are not in the least bit aware of what dispatch does, not just on a daily basis, but as a never ending cycle. Currently, I am in charge of 43 different aircraft. Out of those 43 aircraft, 11 need to get to maintenance bases this evening. Luckily, none of those aircraft have any major MELs that restrict where that aircraft can go, except for one that has a 'Day Only VMC' restriction. I would love to undo all of your aircraft swaps and get you out of those APU-deferred aircraft, but I have a schedule to keep. The fact that dispatch gets all of those aircraft to maintenance bases everyday is the main reason those 43 aircraft have no major issues. Amazing, isn't it?

Oh, but it doesn't stop there. Everyday, ATC decides we need a flow program somewhere. Aircraft break at the hubs, sometimes they break at the outstations. Crews start pushing into duty/rest issues. Flights become delayed more and more. The intricate, but fragile, airline schedule starts to fall apart. Whether you like it or not, my fellow colleagues and I, are licensed professionals. My job as a licensed professional is to constantly put that puzzle back together, be it delaying or canceling flights, repositioning aircraft or reflowing crews. It is my *** on the line at this point, not yours. I am the one solely responsible for maintaining a constant flow of airline operations with minimal impact to the company's bottom line. But arguing over our respective job responsibilities is not what's important.

What is important is that I do understand the duties of the Pilot In-Command. Annually, I have the opportunity to spend 5 block hours in each the CRJ and the EMB. Furthermore, I have those same opportunities during my frequent travels across the US. What also is important is the fact that you have no understanding of the duties of the dispatch office personnel. You, sir, have too many misconceptions of the OCC for me to even bother listing. Instead, I offer you the following:

I challenge you, PBRstreetgang, to spend one shift with me personally on any day and time of your choosing. I offer to gladly pay your lodging and meal expenses as a sign of good faith on my part. If, after one day observing the functionality of the dispatch office, you still believe all of your misconceptions about dispatch, I will personally and humbly apologize for wasting your time and concede to your superiority.

Do you, sir, have the professionalism to show the rest of FI.com, your fellow pilots, dispatchers and employees, that you are not afraid to accept my challenge? Or, sir, would you like to go ahead and admit that your professionalism shall be based solely on your childish rants of degradation and name-calling? The choice is yours.

Sincerely,

XP/OO

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Nice call! see the problem is... Nobody has ever treated him with respect so he thinks its the norm. He's the kind of guy that feels if he can put you down you will look up to him in some odd way... can you imagine a 4 day trip with a guy like this? I'd bet hes the most bid avoided Captain ever at SkyWest.

jea+pit=get a room
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

xpoop,
The fact you profess to know what is best for the pilot group at SKYW(union or not) is what causes me to want to call BS on you and wally. Everything you list above only reinforces my conviction, you have time to post on F/I, while you are at work, you ain't helping a crew who has their *** on the line, if you cannot find an area in the US where SKYW operates on an hourly basis that is not experiencing operational challenges, check the Weather channel sometime. And while I could empathize with you being chained to a keyboard all day, that immediately evaporates when I read the crap you post on this board. You might think its funny to post crap intended to ruffle feathers and expect no reply, guess what I am here and will return in kind. And if you still want to compare jobs, I will go and ask you to reread your own post, If you fail massively at your job, with no malice what is the worst that will happen, loss of certificate? Now apply the same to my job description. SKYW has of late been using the FAR limits as a goal instead of a limitation. Those very limits are determined by the FAA to be the limits for safety. The collective bargaining process is the only tool available to pilots , and guess what dispatchers too, to pull the company back from the edge of legality, you want an example, look up AA flight into Little Rock. That flight was "legal". I will query you, if one of the first thing to be affected by fatigue is judgment, how will you have the good judgment to determine you are fatigued? When was the last time you worked 16hrs? Would you want to be in the back of the airplanes flying into SLC when the crew was on their 16th hour of duty, but still legal? When you rail against my and other pilots efforts to achieve collective bargaining and as such pull the safety back from the edge, you are telling me its ok to die for my company, because its legal, and you endorse that. No matter what you say, every time I step into an a/c and go to work, my ultimate penalty for ultimate failure is not the same as yours. In more than 20 years I have never even scratched an airplane, not because of superior pilot skills, but attention to detail, small and large. I will decline your invitation to "observe" your day, I get to experience the effects every day as a line pilot.
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Wow...you managed to totally skate around the topic of my post and invent your own. To hell with your collective bargaining, I don't care. Irregaurdless, when you want to address the actual point of my previous post then I will respond to you. Until then, let my previous post show that I have taken the higher road and you have decided to continue your degrading and name-calling ways. When you find some cajones, come find me. Until then...adios.

 

[jea]

Wow...you managed to totally skate around the topic of my post and invent your own. To hell with your collective bargaining, I don't care. Irregaurdless, when you want to address the actual point of my previous post then I will respond to you. Until then, let my previous post show that I have taken the higher road and you have decided to continue your degrading and name-calling ways. When you find some cajones, come find me. Until then...adios.

pbr just doesnt get the whole team thing- aka crm.. he is one that feels he is the authority. he is old school and not in a good way- he is hiding from himself by not accepthing your invitiation because he is ashamed of his posts on here- he fears the light and cowers in darkness

 

[SSDD]

Cajones? Is he homeless? Is he moving? Why does he need big boxes? :beer: