Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[homerjdispatch]

"He's a very strange young man."

"He's an idiot. Comes from upbringing. His parents are probably idiots too. Lorraine, if you ever have a kid that acts that way I'll disown you."

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Once again, I'm waiting for you to use that superior attention to detail you claim to have and show where I have, with any amount of seriousness, "claimed to profess what is best" for the SKW pilot group. I haven't. I don't claim to know. So, constantly bringing me into that argument is not a real shining example of your grand superior intellect.


Yes, it was legal. If we didn't launch on the type of forecast LIT was calling for at that time, an airline would cancel 60% of our daily flights.

There were failures on both ends. The dispatcher did make the unfortunate and now-famous "expedite the approach" and "it looks like a bowling alley approach" comment, but no one forced that captain to decide to make the approach into LIT (with the spoilers not armed, no less) when he had two solid alternates in BNA and DFW and holding fuel on board.

I don't see how this is relevant to your argument. You're reaching really far on this one PBR...try again.

Trying to use AAL1420 to make your point isn't a good idea. The majority of dispatchers know AAL1420 like the back of our hand (and most of us have a copy of the NTSB report and CVR transcript) because we never want to have to be in the position that AA dispatcher was in.

Where or not, whatever, you win you are now a full blooded ALPA supporter, and I recognize that now, happy.

Again my point is made, the AA flight was legal, sure, the dispatchers statement will live in infamy, he had the opportunity to help a Captain who was fatigued and stressed with the possibility of terminating a pilot(the one he was flying with). You are absolutely right, it was legal, and guess what the pilot and a whole bunch of folks are dead, bet the dispatcher feels horrible, wouldn't want to be him. He will have the rest of his life to feel horrible, the Captains horrible feelings ended with his life. legal may not always be safe and safe may not always be legal. Pilot pushing is a long and management honored tradition in the FLYING industry, you can be either part of the solution or the problem. AAL1420 is the essence of this debate, the dispatcher was part of the problem, he enabled the pilot to make a horrible decision that cost him his life.
PBR
Sorry for smearing you with the xpoop stigma.
BTW, what is the OPS spec that allows SKYW to operate FAR Part 91?

 

[John Pennekamp]

"He's a very strange young man."

"He's an idiot. Comes from upbringing. His parents are probably idiots too. Lorraine, if you ever have a kid that acts that way I'll disown you."

So you're my uncle Joey. Better get used to these bars, kid.

 

[XPOO]

Alright, Old School. If all FlightInfo.com Members adhered to using the precise English vernacular required in order to ascertain the quality of conversation you are accustomed to having then no one would able to communicate with you.

 

[homerjdispatch]

I'm sure in 1985 plutonium is available at every corner drugstore, but in 1955 it's a little hard to come by.

 

[XPOO]

I hate manure

 

[homerjdispatch]

"What are you looking at butthead?"

"Hey Biff, get a load of this guy's life preserver. Dork thinks he's gonna drown."

 

[XPOO]

The shark still looks fake.

Man, I sure wish I could go back in time and put some money on the Cubbies.

 

[waveflyer]

well- it does seem skywest dispatch's professionalism is on display here. You're working 43 flights and it's so difficult that you have time to log on to FI.com?

It is a stupid pissing contest. You're important to the airline. No doubt- it would be so inefficient w/o you coordinating everything. But you're not a pilot. You're not on the same professional level in any way shape or form. You ARE professionals. Professional support staff in the same way that nurses are professionals. (my girlfriend is a nurse- that is not a dig on you in any way.) I can have a nice rapport with you= but do not use that inch to take a mile. I'll say it again- I've seen your operation- and b/c of my education and training that i worked my tail off in- i can do your job w/ a week's training. You can't do mine. I'm sorry you don't like that. I'm sure there are idiot pilots out there- just like my girlfriend works with doctors that have less than common sense. But that doesn't mean she's the boss in the operating room- and though she can be a VITAL backup and support-= i can't imagine her thinking that she is on equal playing field w/ the doctor.
I've already had one dispatcher on this forum pm me to tell me how he was an ATP- what i wrote back was that i thought that was FANTASTIC- (i really do respect that!) but i had that same qualification plus 2 college degrees by the time i was 25. And it wasn't fair weather optional flying. I've been making my living flying airplanes EVERY day regardless of weather since I was 20 years old. We all have our roles- (i have my bosses- but when it comes to my individual flight- i am the sole decision maker- you, atc, and cs help me make my decisions. period.)
If you want the authority of a pilot. Go to flight school. Until then- you chose to be a dispatcher... be happy with that- i imagine doing your job well leads to quite a bit of satisfaction. But i won't have you disrespecting the VERY LONG AND HARD road that i took to become a pilot. The work that i did is not on par with the work you did to get where you are. It's not close.

This thread no matter how much you HIJACK it IS important. The skywest pilots deserve to be recognized financially for their significant role in making skywest so profitable. You've earned a raise and it's sad to see management that you have always trusted not follow through on promises made. GET BACK ON TOPIC.

 

[LogbookSlave]

"They're like cockroaches . . . ya have to kill them all, otherwise what's the point."

- Charles Bronson

 

[homerjdispatch]

BTW, what is the OPS spec that allows SKYW to operate FAR Part 91?

PBR, refer to SP3453 in the SkyWest FOM. That has all the "part 91" info for you.

BTW, KB, VP flight ops. has asked us to conduct all ferry and reposition flights under part 121 rules as to avoid confusion and error among all those involved.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR, refer to SP3453 in the SkyWest FOM. That has all the "part 91" info for you.

BTW, KB, VP flight ops. has asked us to conduct all ferry and reposition flights under part 121 rules as to avoid confusion and error among all those involved.

Thank you sir! I hate Pt 91, too many choices!
PBR

 

[homerjdispatch]

This thread no matter how much you HIJACK it IS important. The skywest pilots deserve to be recognized financially for their significant role in making skywest so profitable. You've earned a raise and it's sad to see management that you have always trusted not follow through on promises made. GET BACK ON TOPIC.

I don't think you would find a dipatcher at OO that would disagree with that last statement.

SkyWest pilots are a great group. I respect them, and hope they get what they truely deserve. They have all treated me in a professional manner, and whenever I jumpseat, they do what they can to make it a great trip.

Thanks for all the hard work you do each day.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Thank you sir! I hate Pt 91, too many choices!
PBR

You're welcome.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You made a time machine? Out of a Delorean?

 

[XPOO]

well- it does seem skywest dispatch's professionalism is on display here. You're working 43 flights and it's so difficult that you have time to log on to FI.com?

Funny, I don't remember talking to you. However, I shall clear things up for you. It's not 43 flights, its 43 aircraft. If you want a number on the amount of flights, I'll be happy to count them up for you. Also, I guess Pilots are the only people in the airline industry that have down time and breaks. I guess I could be outside away from my phone and ever important desk during my down time, but I choose to sit here just in case and fill my time by staying in touch with the airline community as it does pertain to my job and our day-to-day operations.

It is a stupid pissing contest. You're important to the airline. No doubt- it would be so inefficient w/o you coordinating everything. But you're not a pilot.

Never claimed to have been, never claimed to be, never claimed to ever want to be.

You're not on the same professional level in any way shape or form. You ARE professionals. Professional support staff in the same way that nurses are professionals.

I also never said I was equal to a pilot. Any more words to put in my mouth? Also, are you telling me the Nurse and the Doctor both have to sign some medical paperwork before the Doctor can cut?

I can have a nice rapport with you= but do not use that inch to take a mile. I'll say it again- I've seen your operation- and b/c of my education and training that i worked my tail off in- i can do your job w/ a week's training.

A week? Ha. Try maybe 3 months. And heck, after a year, they might even trust you enough to start making your own desicions.

You can't do mine. I'm sorry you don't like that. I'm sure there are idiot pilots out there- just like my girlfriend works with doctors that have less than common sense. But that doesn't mean she's the boss in the operating room- and though she can be a VITAL backup and support-= i can't imagine her thinking that she is on equal playing field w/ the doctor.

And you can't do Jerry Atkin's job. What's your point? Most of you pilots think dispatchers are wannabe pilots. Newsflash, not all of us are. By the same logic, I guess all you pilots are just wannabe Jerrys.

I've already had one dispatcher on this forum pm me to tell me how he was an ATP- what i wrote back was that i thought that was FANTASTIC- (i really do respect that!) but i had that same qualification plus 2 college degrees by the time i was 25.

What, you want a cookie?

And it wasn't fair weather optional flying. I've been making my living flying airplanes EVERY day regardless of weather since I was 20 years old. We all have our roles- (i have my bosses- but when it comes to my individual flight- i am the sole decision maker- you, atc, and cs help me make my decisions. period.)

Or Crew Scheduling can just find a Pilot that will make the opposite decision, if you really want to get snippy about it. However, I have never attacked a pilot's decision. I guess when you feel someone is belittling your job, its stings a little, huh? Irony?

If you want the authority of a pilot. Go to flight school. Until then- you chose to be a dispatcher... be happy with that- i imagine doing your job well leads to quite a bit of satisfaction.

Again, I have never wanted to be one. Thanks for the job recruitment though. However, I failed the prerequisite of being an arrogant @sshole.

But i won't have you disrespecting the VERY LONG AND HARD road that i took to become a pilot. The work that i did is not on par with the work you did to get where you are. It's not close.

That's right folks, only the pilots work their tail off in the industry. I'm glad someone finally broke that hard news to me. It was tough to take at first, but I feel better now. Thank you, very much, for opening my eyes.

This thread no matter how much you HIJACK it IS important. The skywest pilots deserve to be recognized financially for their significant role in making skywest so profitable. You've earned a raise and it's sad to see management that you have always trusted not follow through on promises made. GET BACK ON TOPIC.

Back on topic? You mean just like the way you hopped into a conversation that had nothing to do with you? Of course the SkyWest (yes, I can punctuate it correctly, but, hell, you have 2 degrees so who am I to argue) deserve a raise. Good to see we all agree on something.

 

[PCL_128]

However, being an arrogant @sshole just isn't my style.

Could have fooled me.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Could have fooled me.

Do I need to tell you about the "3 Amigos" from SGU too????????:laugh:

 

[jea]

Thank you sir! I hate Pt 91, too many choices!
PBR

alright!!! what happened did the world stop its rotation when i went to lunch!??? PBR actually saying thank you? and to a dispatcher that helped him???? wow I may have to change my signature line!!!! impressive PBR maybe im wrong (that does happen)..... maybe you do have a soul?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

alright!!! what happened did the world stop its rotation when i went to lunch!??? PBR actually saying thank you? and to a dispatcher that helped him???? wow I may have to change my signature line!!!! impressive PBR maybe im wrong (that does happen)..... maybe you do have a soul?

Yup,
I made the mistake of lumping wally in with xpoop, xpoop is still a toolbox, but you are on the otherhand still the skidmark in a homeless mans underwear. wally and xpoop are not pilots so I don't expect them to understand what we deal with on a daily basis, you on the otherhand have no excuse! Now go and study for your paddlejet type.
PBR