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Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I don't think they have to wait until Delta / United merge. Flying is already being dumped in Salt Lake and LAX. And why are their 46 reserve lines in Denver? Yeah - something tells me they're a little overstocked in all departments.

Right. That's why I was awarded a 100 hour line next month, and all attempts to drop trips have been rendered futile because of "insufficient reserve coverage." And this is on equipment that is supposedly going away. Dang those red arrows!!! Who's coat tails do I have to thank for those?

-Goose
 
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You just paid 10 bucks to post that...

Wow PBR you've really pissed some people off!
Well, I do what I can. It seems that since the FAA started issuing plastic credit card style certificates, a few back office pogues think that because they look like PILOT certificates they are the same. My position is, if you want to be treated like a professional you gotta act like one, and do your job accordingly. That means real time flight following, ect.
Just doing my small part, keeping aviation real!
PBR
 
Oh really...I used to work at a union carrier, and they never followed the contract. Why don't you explain to me how a union contract works with all your years of wisdom dealing with one.

Oh wait...you never worked for one.

haha

Not sure what you mean, but if you work at SkyWest, your job is still in jeopardy...it's called working at an airline. Of course, if SkyWest furloughs...they could furlough out of seniority, or by base, or whatever suits them...one more reason I wish we had union representation. Thanks 67%ers. You're right, at that point, pay doesn't matter, but I think strong representation still would.
 
The difference being, of course, that if the contract gets violated there are ALPA lawyers available to take the bastards to court. When SkyWest violates our "agreement", there is no recourse whatsoever. But you probably knew that, having worked for a union carrier and all.
 
Oh really...I used to work at a union carrier, and they never followed the contract. Why don't you explain to me how a union contract works with all your years of wisdom dealing with one.

Oh wait...you never worked for one.

haha

If the contract is violated, you file a grievance. Eventually you can have a neutral rule on the issue. How does it work at Skywest?
 
Then how about you start doing so!!!!
Nice call! see the problem is... Nobody has ever treated him with respect so he thinks its the norm. He's the kind of guy that feels if he can put you down you will look up to him in some odd way... can you imagine a 4 day trip with a guy like this? I'd bet hes the most bid avoided Captain ever at SkyWest.
 
PBRstreetgang,

No matter how much you try to make yourself out to look like the good-guy, everyone on FI.com can clearly see that you are the biggest tool on here. By my estimation, out of 2,500 pilots, having only one complete ******* out of the whole group is not that bad of a percentage. I no longer feel the need to keep proving to the rest of the members just how much of a tool you are. You have done quite nicely all on your own. And I thank you for saving me the trouble.

Furthermore, Mr. PBRstreetgang, I am fully aware that you fly one aircraft one leg at a time. Maybe one to six segments in one day. Perhaps, even three or four different aircraft in one day. I am also fully aware that you have someone backing you up on every flight sitting in the right seat and that both of you, along with your dispatcher, are fully responsible for the safety of each flight you so diligently take on.

However, you are not in the least bit aware of what dispatch does, not just on a daily basis, but as a never ending cycle. Currently, I am in charge of 43 different aircraft. Out of those 43 aircraft, 11 need to get to maintenance bases this evening. Luckily, none of those aircraft have any major MELs that restrict where that aircraft can go, except for one that has a 'Day Only VMC' restriction. I would love to undo all of your aircraft swaps and get you out of those APU-deferred aircraft, but I have a schedule to keep. The fact that dispatch gets all of those aircraft to maintenance bases everyday is the main reason those 43 aircraft have no major issues. Amazing, isn't it?

Oh, but it doesn't stop there. Everyday, ATC decides we need a flow program somewhere. Aircraft break at the hubs, sometimes they break at the outstations. Crews start pushing into duty/rest issues. Flights become delayed more and more. The intricate, but fragile, airline schedule starts to fall apart. Whether you like it or not, my fellow colleagues and I, are licensed professionals. My job as a licensed professional is to constantly put that puzzle back together, be it delaying or canceling flights, repositioning aircraft or reflowing crews. It is my *** on the line at this point, not yours. I am the one solely responsible for maintaining a constant flow of airline operations with minimal impact to the company's bottom line. But arguing over our respective job responsibilities is not what's important.

What is important is that I do understand the duties of the Pilot In-Command. Annually, I have the opportunity to spend 5 block hours in each the CRJ and the EMB. Furthermore, I have those same opportunities during my frequent travels across the US. What also is important is the fact that you have no understanding of the duties of the dispatch office personnel. You, sir, have too many misconceptions of the OCC for me to even bother listing. Instead, I offer you the following:

I challenge you, PBRstreetgang, to spend one shift with me personally on any day and time of your choosing. I offer to gladly pay your lodging and meal expenses as a sign of good faith on my part. If, after one day observing the functionality of the dispatch office, you still believe all of your misconceptions about dispatch, I will personally and humbly apologize for wasting your time and concede to your superiority.

Do you, sir, have the professionalism to show the rest of FI.com, your fellow pilots, dispatchers and employees, that you are not afraid to accept my challenge? Or, sir, would you like to go ahead and admit that your professionalism shall be based solely on your childish rants of degradation and name-calling? The choice is yours.

Sincerely,

XP/OO
 
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Nice call! see the problem is... Nobody has ever treated him with respect so he thinks its the norm. He's the kind of guy that feels if he can put you down you will look up to him in some odd way... can you imagine a 4 day trip with a guy like this? I'd bet hes the most bid avoided Captain ever at SkyWest.
jea+pit=get a room
PBR
 
xpoop,
The fact you profess to know what is best for the pilot group at SKYW(union or not) is what causes me to want to call BS on you and wally. Everything you list above only reinforces my conviction, you have time to post on F/I, while you are at work, you ain't helping a crew who has their *** on the line, if you cannot find an area in the US where SKYW operates on an hourly basis that is not experiencing operational challenges, check the Weather channel sometime. And while I could empathize with you being chained to a keyboard all day, that immediately evaporates when I read the crap you post on this board. You might think its funny to post crap intended to ruffle feathers and expect no reply, guess what I am here and will return in kind. And if you still want to compare jobs, I will go and ask you to reread your own post, If you fail massively at your job, with no malice what is the worst that will happen, loss of certificate? Now apply the same to my job description. SKYW has of late been using the FAR limits as a goal instead of a limitation. Those very limits are determined by the FAA to be the limits for safety. The collective bargaining process is the only tool available to pilots , and guess what dispatchers too, to pull the company back from the edge of legality, you want an example, look up AA flight into Little Rock. That flight was "legal". I will query you, if one of the first thing to be affected by fatigue is judgment, how will you have the good judgment to determine you are fatigued? When was the last time you worked 16hrs? Would you want to be in the back of the airplanes flying into SLC when the crew was on their 16th hour of duty, but still legal? When you rail against my and other pilots efforts to achieve collective bargaining and as such pull the safety back from the edge, you are telling me its ok to die for my company, because its legal, and you endorse that. No matter what you say, every time I step into an a/c and go to work, my ultimate penalty for ultimate failure is not the same as yours. In more than 20 years I have never even scratched an airplane, not because of superior pilot skills, but attention to detail, small and large. I will decline your invitation to "observe" your day, I get to experience the effects every day as a line pilot.
PBR
 
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Wow...you managed to totally skate around the topic of my post and invent your own. To hell with your collective bargaining, I don't care. Irregaurdless, when you want to address the actual point of my previous post then I will respond to you. Until then, let my previous post show that I have taken the higher road and you have decided to continue your degrading and name-calling ways. When you find some cajones, come find me. Until then...adios.
 
Wow...you managed to totally skate around the topic of my post and invent your own. To hell with your collective bargaining, I don't care. Irregaurdless, when you want to address the actual point of my previous post then I will respond to you. Until then, let my previous post show that I have taken the higher road and you have decided to continue your degrading and name-calling ways. When you find some cajones, come find me. Until then...adios.
pbr just doesnt get the whole team thing- aka crm.. he is one that feels he is the authority. he is old school and not in a good way- he is hiding from himself by not accepthing your invitiation because he is ashamed of his posts on here- he fears the light and cowers in darkness
 

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