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[PBRstreetgang]

WOW!!! You really do hate dispatchers. That's too bad. I think you've gone coo coo for cocoa puffs.

I do not have any issues with dispatchers, I do have a problem with Dixie college drop outs, who think they know what pilots need. As a commuter I regularly rode in the UAL jump seat and saw several ACARS messages from dispatchers with everything from PIREPS relating to ride, to notification of changing destination WX on every flight I was on and in the jumpseat. In my 10 years at SKYW, I have NEVER, repeat NEVER had an unsolicited ACARS from a SKYW dispatcher notify/updating me of anything, in fact I have routinely been the one notifying dispatch of deteriorating WX conditions. Professional dispatchers have the opportunity to enhance the safety of a flight, SKYW dispatchers do not participate in the flight beyond creating the original realease and purchasing Kavourous(sp) Wx to allow dispatch an A/C to an airport that they have no hope of arriving at. If SKYW dispatchers want "respect" they are gonna have to step up and act like dispatchers and not just keyboard pogues.
PBR

 

[PCL_128]

Well how do you expect them to send you ACARS messages in flight when they openly admit to spending their time at work on this message board?

 

[WalterSobchak]

I do not have any issues with dispatchers, I do have a problem with Dixie college drop outs, who think they know what pilots need. As a commuter I regularly rode in the UAL jump seat and saw several ACARS messages from dispatchers with everything from PIREPS relating to ride, to notification of changing destination WX on every flight I was on and in the jumpseat. In my 10 years at SKYW, I have NEVER, repeat NEVER had an unsolicited ACARS from a SKYW dispatcher notify/updating me of anything, in fact I have routinely been the one notifying dispatch of deteriorating WX conditions. Professional dispatchers have the opportunity to enhance the safety of a flight, SKYW dispatchers do not participate in the flight beyond creating the original realease and purchasing Kavourous(sp) Wx to allow dispatch an A/C to an airport that they have no hope of arriving at. If SKYW dispatchers want "respect" they are gonna have to step up and act like dispatchers and not just keyboard pogues.
PBR

Once again, 'll step up. You and I have had this discussion privately...I'll bring it public now.
I don't know who you've been dealing with, but I know that I and the 5 guys and girls around me this morning kept our flights more than updated with deteriorating conditions in the PacNW, runway config changes in LAX, info on low vis/holding/diversion recovery in DFW (along with solid alternate info in each of those situations), and tons of ride report PIREPS (not only disseminating, asking for them so I can better plan later flights)...not to mention several ACARS comm issues that came up this morning that caused some problems. My flights stay updated when they need to be informed. So you've obviously not been dealing with me. Sure, there are some bad apples in every group...I dealt with one of them from your end of the operation today that took the cake.

Contrary to your belief, we're not a bunch of retards or "Dixie dropouts" (99% of us have never stepped foot on that campus...we're from all over...not a bunch of Utards). The experience and education level in that room is likely second only to mainline offices.

You seem to have not the slightest clue what goes on in our office. I at least have a clue as to what goes on in yours, as I'm on the jumpseat at least 3 times a month trying to get to/from Texas.

If you had any idea, you'd know why we're not sending you ACARS messages to let you know that it's still 10sm and CLR at your destination. If things start falling apart, you better believe I'm working up a solid contingency plan if you haven't heard from me yet. And when you handle the workload each of us do, you'll understand why we might be a little slow to get back to you. It's called prioritizing. We are handling anywhere from 5 to 20 flights at a time.

PBR, you can have as little respect for me as a dispatcher as you wish. I don't care to have the respect of someone who is so bitter about his station in life, or the fact that he's still in a job/at an airline he hates 10 years later, that he has nothing better to do that anonymously bash a workgroup that does nothing but try to go out of their way to make his day run a little smoother. It doesn't always work out that way, but we bust our tails everyday to put the best situation out there with what we're handed...and, according to the statistics kept by the major partners, we do a damn good job of it. So, until you decide to make a visit to actually see what we do, how we do it, and why we don't cater specifically to your ego...I respectfully ask that you STFU.

And PCL, I respectfully ask that you take a look at the weather on the days you see a bunch of dispatchers posting on this site. And then, take a look when there are major weather events going on all over the country and compare. We post on FI only when all other things have been handled or on mostly benign wx days. I can speak for all the dispatchers when I say our job comes first...always. That shouldn't even be a question.

And, for the record, I waited to get home to post this because of the issues my flights we facing today...I just didn't have time.

 

[10nCLR]

I do not have any issues with dispatchers, I do have a problem with Dixie college drop outs, who think they know what pilots need. As a commuter I regularly rode in the UAL jump seat and saw several ACARS messages from dispatchers with everything from PIREPS relating to ride, to notification of changing destination WX on every flight I was on and in the jumpseat. In my 10 years at SKYW, I have NEVER, repeat NEVER had an unsolicited ACARS from a SKYW dispatcher notify/updating me of anything, in fact I have routinely been the one notifying dispatch of deteriorating WX conditions. Professional dispatchers have the opportunity to enhance the safety of a flight, SKYW dispatchers do not participate in the flight beyond creating the original realease and purchasing Kavourous(sp) Wx to allow dispatch an A/C to an airport that they have no hope of arriving at. If SKYW dispatchers want "respect" they are gonna have to step up and act like dispatchers and not just keyboard pogues.
PBR

You wow me once again. So you know all of the Dixie college dropouts that work in dispatch? Interesting?
Well let me ask you this. You sound like a COWBOY, so how many times have you not acknowledged acars messages from dispatch? I mean come on. In the ten years at SkyWest, you have never recieved an unsolicited ACARS message. I find that hard to believe. Really now. I know of a few pilots out there that think they have no need for a dispatcher and by the way, you come across as one of them.
Another question since you seem so knowledgable about the SkyWest dispatch office. I know of a lot of dispatchers who send info all the time, but get no responses, I wonder why. Tell me, I want to know.
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[viper548]

I have a question for a SKYW dispatcher, If I send you a pirep with the winds aloft, do you use that pirep when calculating fuel burn for other flights going over that VOR or is my pirep pretty much ignored? Let's suppose the headwind is 20 knots stronger than forecast.

 

[10nCLR]

I have a question for a SKYW dispatcher, If I send you a pirep with the winds aloft, do you use that pirep when calculating fuel burn for other flights going over that VOR or is my pirep pretty much ignored? Let's suppose the headwind is 20 knots stronger than forecast.

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I will not ignore any pireps, but I'm just wondering though, would that unforecasted 20 kts of headwind remain constant over that VOR for an extended period of time so that another flight being planned now will have that same exact headwind 2 hrs later when they arrive at that VOR. Probably not, it could be a 80 knot or 10 knot difference by then. The atmosphere is very dynamic, therefore one cannot plan every flight heading for that VOR at that specific flight level with a fcstd+20kts headwind everytime. Although if Pireps call for turbulence, icing or extreme headwinds at a specific point in time, one can then plan accordingly by changing the flight plan routing, flight levels and amount of fuel. Like I said before, your pirep along with others are very valuable when determining the safety of our flights. To be honest with you, I don't see enough reports coming from company pilots, which is very unfortunate. I'm not accusing anyone, but maybe it's something SKW pilots need to do more often and that might include you too Mr PBR.

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[PBRstreetgang]

Once again, 'll step up. You and I have had this discussion privately...I'll bring it public now.
I don't know who you've been dealing with, but I know that I and the 5 guys and girls around me this morning kept our flights more than updated with deteriorating conditions in the PacNW, runway config changes in LAX, info on low vis/holding/diversion recovery in DFW (along with solid alternate info in each of those situations), and tons of ride report PIREPS (not only disseminating, asking for them so I can better plan later flights)...not to mention several ACARS comm issues that came up this morning that caused some problems. My flights stay updated when they need to be informed. So you've obviously not been dealing with me. Sure, there are some bad apples in every group...I dealt with one of them from your end of the operation today that took the cake.

Contrary to your belief, we're not a bunch of retards or "Dixie dropouts" (99% of us have never stepped foot on that campus...we're from all over...not a bunch of Utards). The experience and education level in that room is likely second only to mainline offices.

You seem to have not the slightest clue what goes on in our office. I at least have a clue as to what goes on in yours, as I'm on the jumpseat at least 3 times a month trying to get to/from Texas.

If you had any idea, you'd know why we're not sending you ACARS messages to let you know that it's still 10sm and CLR at your destination. If things start falling apart, you better believe I'm working up a solid contingency plan if you haven't heard from me yet. And when you handle the workload each of us do, you'll understand why we might be a little slow to get back to you. It's called prioritizing. We are handling anywhere from 5 to 20 flights at a time.

PBR, you can have as little respect for me as a dispatcher as you wish. I don't care to have the respect of someone who is so bitter about his station in life, or the fact that he's still in a job/at an airline he hates 10 years later, that he has nothing better to do that anonymously bash a workgroup that does nothing but try to go out of their way to make his day run a little smoother. It doesn't always work out that way, but we bust our tails everyday to put the best situation out there with what we're handed...and, according to the statistics kept by the major partners, we do a damn good job of it. So, until you decide to make a visit to actually see what we do, how we do it, and why we don't cater specifically to your ego...I respectfully ask that you STFU.

And PCL, I respectfully ask that you take a look at the weather on the days you see a bunch of dispatchers posting on this site. And then, take a look when there are major weather events going on all over the country and compare. We post on FI only when all other things have been handled or on mostly benign wx days. I can speak for all the dispatchers when I say our job comes first...always. That shouldn't even be a question.

And, for the record, I waited to get home to post this because of the issues my flights we facing today...I just didn't have time.

Wally,
As a line pilot I have flown every region of the SKYW operation. I will stand by my statement, I have never received an unsolicited ACARS. Who have I been dealing with? Don't know, thats not my problem. My point is that most of what you do is automated, via Aerodata and the computer. If you want the pilot group in your corner when the SGU brain trust decides to determine if the human element is necessary for flt. ops, your group as a whole is gonna step up. When I ACARS dispatch, I am already checking fuel burns on the FLT plan page, so when I get a ACARS from you guys my info is already in place and yours is just a back up.
I am not "bitter" nor do I hate SKYW, I am a survivor, I will not abdicate responsibility to you or anyone else, that is what keeps me alive after 20+ years of flying for money. So If I offend your delicate sensibilities, too bad.

Make my day easier, thats rich! Idiots like xpoop who laughs about deferred APUs, FMSs, and the like are what makes me think about you, and your ilk.

As far as My ego, I check that at home, egos kill pilots and pax, if I thought you could make the difference, I would ask. I treat everyone at SKYW and the airport like I would like to be treated, novel concept for a pilot huh?

You might take note, I have never told you and your work group to unionize or not, that decision is yours and yours alone, yet you come here and tell me how to manage my career, how bout a nice tall frosty glass of STFU for you, with no respect!

Whatever gets you through the day.
PBR

 

[waveflyer]

How did this thread get turned into a pissing contest between dispatchers and captains? that's a ridiculous place for this to end up. Like nurses v. doctors. We all have our roles, both indispensible, but noone's confused about the role of the captain. There are good dispatchers and bad ones and a whole lot of inexperienced ones. Man i love a good one- they really help. A bad one can launch you into dangerous situations and never really get why you're pissed at them. We could self-dispatch- but it's way more efficient to have the help- but caution to lean on them entirely- you do have to think to be a captain. in the end-why dignify the debate by responding to the flame? i could care less -

what i care about is why the skywest pilots have been the best young pilots in the regional business for 6+ years and can't get pay up remotely close to inflation? It's a slap in the face. I don't care who you are= that's f***ing incredible.

 

[10nCLR]

How did this thread get turned into a pissing contest between dispatchers and captains? that's a ridiculous place for this to end up. Like nurses v. doctors. We all have our roles, both indispensible, but noone's confused about the role of the captain. There are good dispatchers and bad ones and a whole lot of inexperienced ones. Man i love a good one- they really help. A bad one can launch you into dangerous situations and never really get why you're pissed at them. We could self-dispatch- but it's way more efficient to have the help- but caution to lean on them entirely- you do have to think to be a captain. in the end-why dignify the debate by responding to the flame? i could care less -

what i care about is why the skywest pilots have been the best young pilots in the regional business for 6+ years and can't get pay up remotely close to inflation? It's a slap in the face. I don't care who you are= that's f***ing incredible.

copy that, especially living behind the walls of Zion in little old SGU.

 

[WalterSobchak]

You might take note, I have never told you and your work group to unionize or not, that decision is yours and yours alone, yet you come here and tell me how to manage my career, how bout a nice tall frosty glass of STFU for you, with no respect!

Nor have I. If I have made any sort of comment on the unionization of SKW pilots, it was tongue in cheek. I have repeatedly maintained that the choice of any workgroup to unionize is the sole business of said workgroup. I don't sit in your seat everyday, therefore I don't see the things that happen everyday. Just like you've never sat in mine.

And once again, I don't care if you don't respect me. I know I do my job well and don't need you to validate that for me. I have respect what you do on a daily basis and how you got to where you are...but I guess my momma just raised me a little better.

My point is that most of what you do is automated, via Aerodata and the computer. If you want the pilot group in your corner when the SGU brain trust decides to determine if the human element is necessary for flt. ops, your group as a whole is gonna step up. When I ACARS dispatch, I am already checking fuel burns on the FLT plan page, so when I get a ACARS from you guys my info is already in place and yours is just a back up.

Funny, it sure seems like most of what you do, with the exception of taxi, takeoff, and landing (which I know damn good and well ain't easy...so I don't want to hear it) is just as automated. The part you don't see is the constant phone calls, digging through all kinds of manuals to find obscure policies and regs in order to answer every question we are posed when we don't know the answer off hand, and keeping up with the weather and traffic issues at more than 20 locations at any given time.

Like I said before, your pirep along with others are very valuable when determining the safety of our flights. To be honest with you, I don't see enough reports coming from company pilots, which is very unfortunate. I'm not accusing anyone, but maybe it's something SKW pilots need to do more often and that might include you too Mr PBR.

Agree totally. I would love to get more and more communication in regards to what is going on up there at any given moment.

 

[kj6991]

How did this thread get turned into a pissing contest between dispatchers and captains? that's a ridiculous place for this to end up. Like nurses v. doctors. We all have our roles, both indispensible, but noone's confused about the role of the captain. There are good dispatchers and bad ones and a whole lot of inexperienced ones. Man i love a good one- they really help. A bad one can launch you into dangerous situations and never really get why you're pissed at them. We could self-dispatch- but it's way more efficient to have the help- but caution to lean on them entirely- you do have to think to be a captain. in the end-why dignify the debate by responding to the flame? i could care less -

what i care about is why the skywest pilots have been the best young pilots in the regional business for 6+ years and can't get pay up remotely close to inflation? It's a slap in the face. I don't care who you are= that's f***ing incredible.

I agree 100%... I voted for unionization, voted no on the new payscale, and agree it's a slap in the face. It's all relevant. But to see see a 10 year CA and dispatcher bickering back and forth is a little bit disheartening, especially since we have such a great employee group. And PBR, I agree the dispatching lacks a bit because I have yet to receive an ACARS message as well for anything, and I mean anything, but you knew the weight SKW puts on captians before you signed up for the gig. It should be nothing new to you. But you wanna argue back and forth with this guy over a flightinfo forum? Who gives a sh!t when you really think about it. It's not gonna get you that updated ACARS alternate weather message when you need it in BTM next week during the blizzard at 11:30pm.

 

[Pit]

Wally,
As a line pilot I have flown every region of the SKYW operation. I will stand by my statement, I have never received an unsolicited ACARS. Who have I been dealing with? Don't know, thats not my problem. My point is that most of what you do is automated, via Aerodata and the computer. If you want the pilot group in your corner when the SGU brain trust decides to determine if the human element is necessary for flt. ops, your group as a whole is gonna step up. When I ACARS dispatch, I am already checking fuel burns on the FLT plan page, so when I get a ACARS from you guys my info is already in place and yours is just a back up.
I am not "bitter" nor do I hate SKYW, I am a survivor, I will not abdicate responsibility to you or anyone else, that is what keeps me alive after 20+ years of flying for money. So If I offend your delicate sensibilities, too bad.

Make my day easier, thats rich! Idiots like xpoop who laughs about deferred APUs, FMSs, and the like are what makes me think about you, and your ilk.

As far as My ego, I check that at home, egos kill pilots and pax, if I thought you could make the difference, I would ask. I treat everyone at SKYW and the airport like I would like to be treated, novel concept for a pilot huh?

You might take note, I have never told you and your work group to unionize or not, that decision is yours and yours alone, yet you come here and tell me how to manage my career, how bout a nice tall frosty glass of STFU for you, with no respect!

Whatever gets you through the day.
PBR

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

 

[jea]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

Nobody has any respect for pbr- not even his mother... yep I said it... ha ha ha hah a

 

[waveflyer]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

Relax. I have an ego. Enormous. Couldn't be a very good pilot w/o it. Try doing a procedure turn non-precision approach in the mountains w/ thunderstorms around if you're not bloody good and confident in what you do. But i've put in the work- and i'm confident that the majority of skywest pilots have as well.

Everyone wants the other to walk in their shoes. Rampers say the same thing. Gate agent's, station managers, and flight attendants too. Certainly our management does. I worked in a fast food restaurant when i was 15- it was hard work! Should i have been respected and paid more than a pilot b/c of that? PBR's attitude is awful- but he's right- I can do your job-and every other job in the airlines (except mechanic) w/ a week's training or less. It would take you years to learn to do my FO's job- can you walk in our shoes? or does that question only apply to non-dispatchers? So just relax. I appreciate you. I'm sure skywest has you doing the absolute max for the min in compensation- but you can't compare jobs. Trying to doesn't reflect well on you anymore than PBR's attitude reflects well on him.

Now go get a raise pilots. You've earned it!

 

[WateryGrave]

You don't have an ego??? MY BUTT!!!

Perhaps you need to come sit with us in DISPATCH for a few days or a couple of weeks!!! That could possibly be arranged!!!

Walk in OUR shoes for awhile THEN TELL US HOW TO DO OUR JOB!!!

It's asses like you I have no respect for... AND have little inclination to go out of my way for!! You represent the pilot group VERY poorly!!!

Get a life... or come walk in OUR shoes for a bit!!!

You just paid 10 bucks to post that...

Wow PBR you've really pissed some people off!