Skywest new pay proposal! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[10nCLR]

What? You need a bug wash? Lav dumped and some potable? Hold on!! Let me finish filling up the cockpit Kool-Aid dispenser first.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What? You need a bug wash? Lav dumped and some potable? Hold on!! Let me finish filling up the cockpit Kool-Aid dispenser first.

Crack is whack.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Crack is whack.

Indeed...

 

[waveflyer]

"chi-town raised me crazy, so i live by four words: F^^^ you, pay me!"

The thing that's tough over there is that you've earned it. I've seen you work- you have better attitudes, have a more team oriented group- and go over and above all the time- to be paid lower than any regional pilot is really - for lack of a better phrase- "not fair"-

There's nothing about the regional industry that can't justify raises that AT LEAST keep up w/ inflation. Funny-they lower requirements b/c they can't find guys- explosive growth, consistently profitable- ... why would you want a raise?

 

[John Pennekamp]

"chi-town raised me crazy, so i live by four words: F^^^ you, pay me!"

Ironically, I was raised in Chi Town. Those who know me will tell you that they are indeed words I live by.

 

[waveflyer]

should be the theme for pilots everywhere...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

One last thing for PBR...(from the dispatcher forum)

That pretty much sums it all up.

It sums up the fact that pilots are totally committed to the process, if we fukkup, we pay the price, if you fukkup we still pay the price. You don't see me over on your forum stirring your pot, if you want any understanding from the pilot group on whole, you gotta listen, not spew your own version of SKYW kool-aid. Some may find you flavor of SGU tiki punch, tasty, I don't, and will be more than willing to let you know. You may "dispatch" 50-60 A/C, remember, in the age of computers and data linking you might go the way of the steam engine. I can supervise 1 flight at a time, and trust me when I say no one looks after their ass like the guy attached to it, so keep up antagonizing the pilots with the rhetoric, and when Klen asks if I am willing to self dispatch, I may say sure, the dispatchers we have spend their time on F/I pi$$ing off pilots anyway.
PBR

 

[MALSR]

I'm just replying to this post because it went to 18 pages.

 

[ToiletDuck]

Sweet! At least you'll keep a quick upgrade, kick Air
Willy (one of the BEST Regional Contracts) out of Denver, and put Skyway out of business to boot!! Good job.

Trojan

www.doihaveafuturehere.org

 

[WalterSobchak]

It sums up the fact that pilots are totally committed to the process, if we fukkup, we pay the price, if you fukkup we still pay the price. You don't see me over on your forum stirring your pot, if you want any understanding from the pilot group on whole, you gotta listen, not spew your own version of SKYW kool-aid. Some may find you flavor of SGU tiki punch, tasty, I don't, and will be more than willing to let you know. You may "dispatch" 50-60 A/C, remember, in the age of computers and data linking you might go the way of the steam engine. I can supervise 1 flight at a time, and trust me when I say no one looks after their ass like the guy attached to it, so keep up antagonizing the pilots with the rhetoric, and when Klen asks if I am willing to self dispatch, I may say sure, the dispatchers we have spend their time on F/I pi$$ing off pilots anyway.
PBR

A couple of quick hits and I'm done going back in forth with the biggest toolbag in the industry.

First, what rhetoric have I antagonized you with? None. I'm neutral on the union crap...that's up to the individual pilot group to decide, not me. I will, however, call BS on some of the chest thumping idiocy that alot of the self-centered, "it's all about me" crap that gets spewed on here.

Second, enough with that whole "If a dispatcher screws up..." thing. It's not funny or cute. If a dispatcher truly screwed so badly that lives were lost...he or she would wish they were dead after the hearings, the humiliation, and the possible prison time if the negligence was gross enough. Based on your repeated use of this statement alone (paired with your general comments about dispatch), I'm beginning to think your initials are FB.

As far as us "going the way of the steam engine"...do you REALLY want to entrust some of these 300 hr wonders to dispatching themselves fairly unknown conditions after only a few years on the right seat? Hell, I wouldn't trust half the good senior captains I deal with daily to get it done. Not because they aren't capable or because I know everything...or because I claim to know more...but because I have my specialty and they have theirs. I have pilots that go out of their way to get ahold of me over others because they know they're going to get a quick, straight, precise answer to their question. I guess these guys are stupid...or maybe their ability to delegate that makes them damn good.

Ya know, PBR, if you really want to go to war with your dispatch...go for it. You're going to come out looking like even more of a toolbag than you do on here. But, don't worry, they'll still be there when you need them most.

Oh, and once again, nowhere on the title of this forum does it say "Regional Pilot Forum". Get over it.

And I'm done.

 

[ToiletDuck]

The avatar mixed with the harsh talking makes it all the more real.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wally,
You are anything but neutral, those very 300hr wonders you mention wouldn't have been eligible to submit an application 15 years ago. That was when lots of A/C had F/Es, how many now? UAL had dispatchers who MONITORED just a few flights in progress, you do 50-60? You see where this is going, as you dispatch more and more flights you are approaching F/E status, the appendix/tonsils of the industry. When you and xpoop come here and spew the drivel that you do so well, I just think wow thats a waste of a paycheck. If you think I just glance at the release, check the fuel load and blast off, you should put the crackpipe down and step back. Yasee I already do your job, I actually do not trust you. Kinda like when we launch at a destination that is reporting 1000-1200RVR with a forecast to be at 1/2 mile vis 1 1/2 hour later, sorry just because the company can "buy" a forecast to allow a launch doesn't mean I trust you or them. Thats how I stay alive, by not trusting "toolbags" like you or the company. I am over it, I give you and your "profession" little more thought than what type of cat litter is most popular today. I have been doing this job for more than 20 years and have seen the likes of your kind come and go, in fact I will be doing this long after you leave and start managing that Subway for one of your "uncles"
No cheese and no special sauce please!
PBR

 

[PCL_128]

First, what rhetoric have I antagonized you with? None. I'm neutral on the union crap...that's up to the individual pilot group to decide, not me.

Which is why I don't have a problem with you at all. I have nothing against dispatchers. My beef is with XPOO. He seems to think that he has a place in telling a bunch of pilots what is best for them on the union issue. He needs to stop worrying about pilot unionization and start worrying about his profession.

 

[10nCLR]

Wally,
You are anything but neutral, those very 300hr wonders you mention wouldn't have been eligible to submit an application 15 years ago. That was when lots of A/C had F/Es, how many now? UAL had dispatchers who MONITORED just a few flights in progress, you do 50-60? You see where this is going, as you dispatch more and more flights you are approaching F/E status, the appendix/tonsils of the industry. When you and xpoop come here and spew the drivel that you do so well, I just think wow thats a waste of a paycheck. If you think I just glance at the release, check the fuel load and blast off, you should put the crackpipe down and step back. Yasee I already do your job, I actually do not trust you. Kinda like when we launch at a destination that is reporting 1000-1200RVR with a forecast to be at 1/2 mile vis 1 1/2 hour later, sorry just because the company can "buy" a forecast to allow a launch doesn't mean I trust you or them. Thats how I stay alive, by not trusting "toolbags" like you or the company. I am over it, I give you and your "profession" little more thought than what type of cat litter is most popular today. I have been doing this job for more than 20 years and have seen the likes of your kind come and go, in fact I will be doing this long after you leave and start managing that Subway for one of your "uncles"
No cheese and no special sauce please!
PBR

Why don't you just try visiting your dispatch office
to see how your dispatchers do their job. If you don't care if dispatchers are there for you then, well, so what, the dispatcher will be there for you anyway. I just hope you're not one of those pilots that decides to divert and not tell dispatch until you're on the ground and then immediately calls to get a new release. Um, well, where are you again? Anyway.
I'm confused. So what are you saying again? You're not going to try to get passengers to their destination with a legal fcst and an alternate because you don't trust the company, the dispatcher and the weather. That's why there is an alternate, sometimes 2, right? If it's legal to send then go. If you have been flying for 20 yrs, then an rvr of 1000-1200 shouldn't be a big deal, unless you have trust issues with the rvr equipment. Does anybody really trust the dynamic phenomena in a given atmosphere at a given time, which we troposheric weather, not really, but at least the dispatchers have the tools to look at the overall picture. I don't know what your beef is with dispatch, but I think you should lighten up a little, because someday when you least expect it, you will be needing immediate assistance from your dispatcher. Just my opinion.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Why don't you just try visiting your dispatch office
to see how your dispatchers do their job. If you don't care if dispatchers are there for you then, well, so what, the dispatcher will be there for you anyway. I just hope you're not one of those pilots that decides to divert and not tell dispatch until you're on the ground and then immediately calls to get a new release. Um, well, where are you again? Anyway.
I'm confused. So what are you saying again? You're not going to try to get passengers to their destination with a legal fcst and an alternate because you don't trust the company, the dispatcher and the weather. That's why there is an alternate, sometimes 2, right? If it's legal to send then go. If you have been flying for 20 yrs, then an rvr of 1000-1200 shouldn't be a big deal, unless you have trust issues with the rvr equipment. Does anybody really trust the dynamic phenomena in a given atmosphere at a given time, which we troposheric weather, not really, but at least the dispatchers have the tools to look at the overall picture. I don't know what your beef is with dispatch, but I think you should lighten up a little, because someday when you least expect it, you will be needing immediate assistance from your dispatcher. Just my opinion.

I am saying I have far more to loose than any dispatcher. As such I pay far more attention to MY flight than any dispatcher has in the past. I have had more than a few flights where the WX at the destination has deteriorated and I was the one notifying the dispatcher. I will launch with a "legal" FCST, but with my eyes wide open, and spring loaded to survive. I don't have any beef with dispatch, just with the likes of wally and xpoop. When I was starting out in flying(early 80's), I sat in crew lounges with guys who were WW2, Korea and VietNam veterans and listened with rapt attention and learned as much as possible. 1000-1200RVR is a big deal at any time, landing and/or take-off, this shows how little you know, if you had been doing this for any length of time you would know that too. Anytime you get close to minimums its a big deal, not impossible, just requiring attention to detail for a successful outcome. The pilot group has always been the last line of defense to protect the passenger from the greedy management/corp. read Flying the Line sometime, its the playbook for airline managers everywhere, and as such is easy to predict the next move by mgmt. Dispatch can be a member in the last line of defense or a tool of managment, it is their choice, it just seems like they are willing and able to be mgmt lapdogs.
PBR

 

[10nCLR]

Nicely said, point well taken, except for the part "far more to loose than any dispatcher" I'm sure you meant lose.

 

[XPOO]

Which is why I don't have a problem with you at all. I have nothing against dispatchers. My beef is with XPOO. He seems to think that he has a place in telling a bunch of pilots what is best for them on the union issue. He needs to stop worrying about pilot unionization and start worrying about his profession.

So what if I am an anti-union tool? I don't hide that fact. And never once have I told any pilot what to do about their future. I have, however, given my opinion seeing as how your decisions affect my work environment, as well as every employee in the SkyWest family. Therefore, I am looking out for my own interests, just as you are about yours. You, however, want to belittle people for having a different opinion than yours, and I cannot only respect your opinion, but applaud it...and perhaps give it a little ribbing now and then. All in jest, I remind you. PBR is just a straight up *sshole. I don't care to converse with him and hope to God I never find out who he/she is. As long as PBR stays outta my biz, I'll stay out of his. I have tried to be civil with that person, but he/she continues to berrate me and my fellow dispatchers. His/Her examplary teamwork with and reguard for his fellow dispatcher is attrocious, and defies the the principle of CRM.

 

[10nCLR]

PBR, are you thirsty? Can I get you an ice cold one. Here, have mine.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So what if I am an anti-union tool? I don't hide that fact. And never once have I told any pilot what to do about their future. I have, however, given my opinion seeing as how your decisions affect my work environment, as well as every employee in the SkyWest family. Therefore, I am looking out for my own interests, just as you are about yours. You, however, want to belittle people for having a different opinion than yours, and I cannot only respect your opinion, but applaud it...and perhaps give it a little ribbing now and then. All in jest, I remind you. PBR is just a straight up *sshole. I don't care to converse with him and hope to God I never find out who he/she is. As long as PBR stays outta my biz, I'll stay out of his. I have tried to be civil with that person, but he/she continues to berrate me and my fellow dispatchers. His/Her examplary teamwork with and reguard for his fellow dispatcher is attrocious, and defies the the principle of CRM.

Yup!
Was here before you and will be here long after you move on to that furniture sales job. For you this job is just between the 7-11 and the furniture store jobs, ask Wally he might be able to get you on at Subway. CRM, last time I checked you aren't crew, just a pogue with a keyboard.
Get over yourself, I am!
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR, are you thirsty? Can I get you an ice cold one. Here, have mine.

No thanks, Jack-N-Coke will work, 2 day drunk and still opening the whoopazz on wally and xpoop, too easy, really.
PBR