SkyWest IAH Base, What If ?

[JoeMerchant]

Sad excuse. So that started your spiral of feeling inadequate?

I'm not making excuses...Just curious, would it have been better if I was at Skywest now? I mean they didn't have PFT after all. I guess everyone should have waited for Mesaba to call back then...after all, apparantly it was the ONLY regional that was acceptable to work for....

 

[Jetjockey]

Nope, I realized that working for a regional I would always be working for someone else's scraps (scope). It was a realization that I was working for a airline (contract feeder) that didn't control it's own destiny. I could have stayed and been number one. I'm glad I moved on.

 

[AWACoff]

Doesn't alter the fact that you flew a 69 seat 4 engine jet that replaced some mainline DC9 flying and now you are attacking Skywest pilots who are flying 70 seat UNITED EXPRESS flying that is allowed by United scope language....You are a hypocrite.

By the way, how many Mesaba pilots have ever flowed up to NWA/Delta? How is that CAL flow working now? Flowthroughs don't work...never have....

The CAL flowthrough was an incredible deal for XJT. Many more pilots from Express flowed UP than ever flowed back. Any other inaccuracies of yours that you need pointed out? I'll save you some time, most of the drivel you type is half truths and lies.

Go ahead and deny a United or CAL pilot a jumpseat and see how far that gets you. We will sit back and smile as your own pilots you were "protecting" crucify you for your endless idiocy.

 

[flyboyzz1]

Pretty sure mainline UAL and CAL pilots need SKW jumpseats just as bad as SKW pilots need UAL and CAL jumpseats...if not more...just saying.

 

[Nevets]

Pretty sure mainline UAL and CAL pilots need SKW jumpseats just as bad as SKW pilots need UAL and CAL jumpseats...if not more...just saying.

After 10 years, CAL pilots Nonrev for free. No need to list for the Jumpseat. Anyways, according to the CAL JS committee says data shows express pilots Jumpseat more on mainline than the other way around. Which is part of the reason they changed their priority by the way.

 

[AWACoff]

Pretty sure mainline UAL and CAL pilots need SKW jumpseats just as bad as SKW pilots need UAL and CAL jumpseats...if not more...just saying.

Very true. Why is it that UAL and CAL pilots need the jumpseats as much if not more...? Perhaps it's because so much domestic flying has been outsourced. Well, that is changing. The UAL and CAL groups are prepared for the retaliation from Skywest pilots for trying to make this a career again for all pilots. Just remember the backlash against the Comair pilots when Delta was hiring.

This is about creating more jobs at mainline. The majority of regional guys do not want to make a career of the regionals. The few of you on here who are against insourcing are in the minority and will have to deal with the situation forced onto you. You don't have a say in the matter.

 

[BID]

I believe very few CAL captains will deny the jumpseat. I have yet to fly with any that would do that. Now if the arbitration ruling goes against us? Well, who knows if that would change.

I remember a couple of years ago, a buddy of mine was denied the jumpseat at SWA. The reason for the denial, was our green computer screens. These screens could not clear a pilot in the actual jumpseat. The funny thing is several of my friends, SWA pilots, had just jumpseated on us days prior from Cost Rica. But this captain believed a new hire line pilot at CAL could change everything. Well just like my CAL buddy couldn't change our green screens, a line pilot at SkyWest can't stop the Houston flying. Our focus should be with management and not some line pilot.

this was posted by our MEC, jumpseat section :


CAPTAIN’S AUTHORITY
The Jumpseat Committee would like to remind you that denying use of the jumpseat for political or personal reasons is not appropriate. If you have reasons for a denial, FAR Part 121.547 states that the pilot in command has final authority on who cannot ride on his or her aircraft, but the only specified ground to exclude an otherwise authorized individual is on the basis of safety. Your Union will always respect and protect your right to do so.

JUMPSEAT PROTOCOL AND PROCEDURES
Jumpseat Denials
If you’re ever been denied a jumpseat, please contact the CAL MEC Jumpseat Committee at [email protected] with your complaint and as many details as possible. Please do not contact management as this is not the proper venue to handle such complaints. Professionally excuse yourself from the situation and allow the Jumpseat Committee to handle the complaint.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Joe,

You might want to read the CAL scope section again! Especially the limitations of a complimentary carrier vs express carrier. Feel free to comment once you have the knowledge!

Yogi

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

You might want to read the CAL scope section again! Especially the limitations of a complimentary carrier vs express carrier. Feel free to comment once you have the knowledge!

Yogi

Yogi,

You do realize that CAL has been placing it's code on 70 and 90 seat RJs for over a year now don't you? They have put the CAL code on Skywest RJs and USAirways Express RJs for a while now....This is nothing new...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yogi,

I went back and read it again. This flying doesn't fall under the "Express Flying" section as that flying can only be done in 50 seat jets and turboprops. This flying clearly falls under the "Complimentary" flying just like the United flying...Better go back and read it again....

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Yogi,

I went back and read it again. This flying doesn't fall under the "Express Flying" section as that flying can only be done in 50 seat jets and turboprops. This flying clearly falls under the "Complimentary" flying just like the United flying...Better go back and read it again....

Read it again Joe, especially the part where no complimentary carrier can operate a flight in and out of a CAL (not UAL/USAir) hub, while carrying it's primary code as a CAL flight (not codeshare code). Geez, how you only understand what you want to understand, so much for that 4 year degree you claim to have!

Yogi

 

[JoeMerchant]

Read it again Joe, especially the part where no complimentary carrier can operate a flight in and out of a CAL (not UAL/USAir) hub, while carrying it's primary code as a CAL flight (not codeshare code). Geez, how you only understand what you want to understand, so much for that 4 year degree you claim to have!

Yogi

1. Then how is United going to operate out of IAH, EWR, and CLE with a CAL code?

2. CAL isn't going to be the primary code....United is the primary code.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

1. Then how is United going to operate out of IAH, EWR, and CLE with a CAL code?

2. CAL isn't going to be the primary code....United is the primary code.

Joe,

Give it up already, let's see what happens in the arbitration... You constantly try to justify the situation as an attorney trying to get around a written contract.

The first is handled in the Transition Agreement. No problem! Block hour agreement!

The second is a CAL primary code!

RIF...I hope you know what that means. So, read it again as well as the TPA!

Yogi

 

[johnpeace]

You constantly try to justify the situation as an attorney trying to get around a written contract.

WTF do you think UAL management is doing!?

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

WTF do you think UAL management is doing!?

Now it all makes sense, Joe Merchant is management!!!

We are battling that front with management, we don't need you regional folks siding with them! And then you cry about j/s wars etc??? What do you expect from mainline with those attitudes???

Yogi

 

[johnpeace]

What do you expect from mainline with those attitudes?

Me? I don't work at Skywest and don't yet have a dog in this fight...

But last I checked, CAL/UAL mainline was the ones taking photos of pilots, adding them their names to some 'do not ever hire' list and engaging in other intimidation tactics.

I don't want a jumpseat war any more than the next guy...but if I ever see a UAL guy get thrown off the airplane because of his intimidation of a UX pilot who bid a base he didn't like...I wouldn't exactly disapprove.

Take it up with your management...not the SKYW pilots.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Me? I don't work at Skywest and don't yet have a dog in this fight...

But last I checked, CAL/UAL mainline was the ones taking photos of pilots, adding them their names to some 'do not ever hire' list and engaging in other intimidation tactics.

I don't want a jumpseat war any more than the next guy...but if I ever see a UAL guy get thrown off the airplane because of his intimidation of a UX pilot who bid a base he didn't like...I wouldn't exactly disapprove.

Take it up with your management...not the SKYW pilots.

BRAVO!...You pick a fight with my fellow Skywest pilots over something they don't control, then you have picked a fight with me....

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

BRAVO!...You pick a fight with my fellow Skywest pilots over something they don't control, then you have picked a fight with me....

What do you mean "something they don't control?" I thought every Skywest pilot who will be flying illegal contract violating flights out of IAH voluntarily bid for it? BTW, assuming there is a valid list of the previously mentioned characters, I would NEVER support denying a jumpseat or blacklisting from future UAL employment any Skywest pilot NOT on the aformentioned list. If you voluntarily bid to help mgt violate my contract and take my job however.....

 

[Bako Cap]

The IAH base will be too small in Jan. to be flown only by pilots whom have bid for the IAH base. It will be covered by SkyWest pilots from other bases for about the first 6 months of 2011. I am senior enough to bid away from this flying, but junior pilots will have a choice between flying or firing. It is the junior pilots that seem to support the CAL pilots most in their scope fight. Too bad these rogue CAL pilots will be hurting the ones who want to back them up.

 

[vtech]

If, before the merger of UAL and Continental, Continental had abandoned a 50 seat route flown by expressjet and UAL had decided to fly the same route with a 66 seat aircraft flown by Ruepublic, would that have been a violation of the Continental pilots contract?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

BRAVO!...You pick a fight with my fellow Skywest pilots over something they don't control, then you have picked a fight with me....[/QUOTE


No problem Joe. The fight is on!

 

[nimtz]

BRAVO!...You pick a fight with my fellow Skywest pilots over something they don't control, then you have picked a fight with me....

And here I thought I should be fearing Jeff Sismek and his army of corporate lawyers. I don't know Joe we might just lose this thing on some bizarre legal interpretation which defies logic so at that point you will have your cake at long last. But the bigger question I have for you after the above post is how many swirlies did you get in high school?

 

[Nevets]

The IAH base will be too small in Jan. to be flown only by pilots whom have bid for the IAH base. It will be covered by SkyWest pilots from other bases for about the first 6 months of 2011. I am senior enough to bid away from this flying, but junior pilots will have a choice between flying or firing. It is the junior pilots that seem to support the CAL pilots most in their scope fight. Too bad these rogue CAL pilots will be hurting the ones who want to back them up.

It's too bad Skywest pilots turned down unionization on three separate occasions to help with that dilema.

 

[flyboyzz1]

An honest questions Nevets... what would a union do to avoid this?

 

[ehaecker]

It's too bad Skywest pilots turned down unionization on three separate occasions to help with that dilema.

That has NOTHING to do with this. I'm sick of you union chest beaters throwing it around like it does. BTW, I'm pro-union here at SKW. Always have been.

 

[Nevets]

An honest questions Nevets... what would a union do to avoid this?

A point was made that pilots who didnt bid IAH may get stuck flying these trips so therefore they have the option of flying the trip or getting fired. At XJT, all those pilots can call in sick and bring a doctor's note and not fear getting fired.

That has NOTHING to do with this. I'm sick of you union chest beaters throwing it around like it does. BTW, I'm pro-union here at SKW. Always have been.

I've asked on many occasions and still havent received any response. But if this has nothing to do with Skywest voting down unionization on three separate occasions (not my words but words from a CAL MEC rep on their newsletter) then why isn't their any upheaval with the shuttle America pilots flying their 170s in EWR?

If their is another reason for the disparity then great, let us all know why.

 

[flyboyzz1]

A point was made that pilots who didnt bid IAH may get stuck flying these trips so therefore they have the option of flying the trip or getting fired. At XJT, all those pilots can call in sick and bring a doctor's note and not fear getting fired.

There are plenty of union companies that don't have such a liberal sick policy. How would those companies get around this? I understand that RSVs may be doing lots of this flying at first via TDYs. So it is likely that a RSV pilot may get TDYd back to back to back. That's lot of sick time and I think MOST companies would have a problem with that...maybe not XJT.

 

[ehaecker]

A point was made that pilots who didnt bid IAH may get stuck flying these trips so therefore they have the option of flying the trip or getting fired. At XJT, all those pilots can call in sick and bring a doctor's note and not fear getting fired.



I've asked on many occasions and still havent received any response. But if this has nothing to do with Skywest voting down unionization on three separate occasions (not my words but words from a CAL MEC rep on their newsletter) then why isn't their any upheaval with the shuttle America pilots flying their 170s in EWR?

If their is another reason for the disparity then great, let us all know why.

So by this logic (not yours but a CAL MEC rep), it is ok for a UNION carrier (Shuttle) to violate CAL's scope, but when a NON-UNION carrier does it, it isn't ok?

That is ALMOST like saying that it is okay to scab if you are a union member. (I say almost, because this situation does not involve scabbing by any interpretation of the definition). Am I the only one that sees a problem here?

 

[Nevets]

There are plenty of union companies that don't have such a liberal sick policy. How would those companies get around this? I understand that RSVs may be doing lots of this flying at first via TDYs. So it is likely that a RSV pilot may get TDYd back to back to back. That's lot of sick time and I think MOST companies would have a problem with that...maybe not XJT.

Well, what is Skywest sick call policy? My understanding is that out of the three Inc companies, Skywest airlines has the most liberal sick call policy. Whatever it is, you can safely assume it wouldn't be worse in a union contract. And if they were still negotiating one, it would be status quo. The point being that once you are part of an NMB recognized union, you are no longer an at-will employee. By the way, at XJT one sick call can be extended up to 14 days regardless of how many trips or reserve days fall within those days regardless of how much time you have in your sick bank.

So by this logic (not yours but a CAL MEC rep), it is ok for a UNION carrier (Shuttle) to violate CAL's scope, but when a NON-UNION carrier does it, it isn't ok?

That is ALMOST like saying that it is okay to scab if you are a union member. (I say almost, because this situation does not involve scabbing by any interpretation of the definition). Am I the only one that sees a problem here?

Like I said, no one has explained to me why the difference between shuttle America and Skywest. The only difference I see is that Skywest has turned down unionization on three separate occasions. Maybe the CAL MEC are in communication with the duly certified agent of the shuttle America pilots and have come to some sort of behind the doors gentleman agreement? I dont know, just guessing.

 

[vtech]

Am I the only one that sees a problem here?

No, but you're still waiting for an answer along with all the others who have pointed out the disparity in treatment, threats, intimidation, etc., directed at Skywest pilots when compared to Republic pilots. Is there a double standard out there? Why?