Skywest announces IAH and MSP bases.

[bigshooter107]

If there is a position on refusing jumpseat access, I would not be surprised to see UAL/skywest management positive space pilots to from domiciles to counter any negative effects on the operation. U got to think outside the box. D

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would one of you CAL pilots throwing the term "scab" around please post the part of your scope that prohibits United from operating 50+ seat United Express flights out of IAH, CLE, or EWR...Chapter and verse let's hear the language...

"This sucks, change it" is not a violation of the contract. Give us the language that is being violated.

 

[gr8dane]

It's funny how Mainline pilots are beating their chests about scope, when about 60 of their own furloughed pilots (United) are working for Go-jets. The alter ego of Trans States, who were established for the very reason to avoid scope. Hmmmmmm.....

 

[777forever]

it's funny how mainline pilots are beating their chests about scope, when about 60 of their own furloughed pilots (united) are working for go-jets. The alter ego of trans states, who were established for the very reason to avoid scope. Hmmmmmm.....

nice post!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

It's funny how Mainline pilots are beating their chests about scope, when about 60 of their own furloughed pilots (United) are working for Go-jets. The alter ego of Trans States, who were established for the very reason to avoid scope. Hmmmmmm.....

Good point! The other thing they don't realize is that many of the junior Skywest pilots are furloughed United pilots...Just wait until they start denying their own furloughed pilots the jumpseat....

 

[pipers]

Flopgut or anyone,

As a skywest guy who plans to avoid IAH 700 flying at all cost (and who voted for ALPA twice).......

What about shuttle america? Why is all the talk about skywest?

Am I starting to see a double standard here? Also, there is a very real chance that many of the IAH FO's may be furloughed united jet-for-jobs guys. Could add another wrench to the mix. Another thought, hardly a week goes by that I don't have a united guy in the jumpseat. flew one from SFO yesterday. A jumpseat war could hurt alot of people.

Please realize that most people here are not in the least bit excited about IAH.

 

[Jetjockey]

Don't sign any apartment leases in Houston just yet.

 

[nimtz]

Would one of you CAL pilots throwing the term "scab" around please post the part of your scope that prohibits United from operating 50+ seat United Express flights out of IAH, CLE, or EWR...Chapter and verse let's hear the language...

"This sucks, change it" is not a violation of the contract. Give us the language that is being violated.

Joe,

You won't be a scab, just that lucky got that made a career out of a commuter. You've made it awful big for yourself there. I mean how cool is it getting hired to fly 10 legs in a TP yet ending up captaining a shiny jet that has slats! I bet those buds of yours from new hire class at ASA must be jealous of you. After all while they might be sitting reserve on a widebody flying 3 days/month, we all know that pales compared to your 100K/weekends off lifestyle.

I could give you the entire verbage of our Scope section and argue that upcoming IAH/EWR flying is a blatant violation. In fact most fair minded people would probably agree that using the loophole of UAL codeshare on routes historically entirely flown by CAL mainline is weak at best.

You would respond by disagreeing and then going on a diatribe about how it's not your fault mainline careers have been shattered in order for you to be a career RJ capt. You would further question the gall of self righteous mainline pilots for seeking to hurt your existence as you work towards two decades at a commuter.

Sorry Joe, your opinon doesn't count and neither does mine. The only opinion that will count is the court. For that I have to differ to our scope committee (which is very good btw) and more lawyers then I care to bring up. So go ahead and keep beating this post across the internet boards. I'm sure you nobody will give YOU the explanation YOU believe...

 

[nimtz]

SkyWest FOs are the highest paid in the regional biz. (Had a 7 year FO the other day who will make about 63K this year). Capts are more in the middle.

We've been over this.

Wow, that will fund junior's college nest in no time!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Hey Nimitz I can't wait until these aholes get a boot up the arse. Gonna be nice along with UAL mgmt.

 

[STINKER]

Hey Nimitz I can't wait until these aholes get a boot up the arse. Gonna be nice along with UAL mgmt.

Just remember YuppyGuppy we don't all think this way. Don't lump us all in as teenagers salivating at the chance of getting major flying.You would be generalizing unfairly. Keep it civil and don't make it a regional pilot versus major pilot thing here babbling back in forth does nothing. Take that anger and shove it up managements you know what. Management is the enemy plain and simple..

 

[bender]

Wow, that will fund junior's college nest in no time!

You couldn't save up enough money making $63K/yr to send a child to a state college?

 

[Nevets]

There seems to be a lot of animosity against the Skywest pilots but not for the Shuttle America pilots. My guess is its because Skywest pilots have repeatedly voted down ALPA representation and independent union representation. I wouldn't be surprised if ALPA has reached out to the Shuttle America pilots through the IBT to coordinate whatever strategy they come up with to fight this. If Skywest pilots were ALPA, or just unionized, they too would be able to participate in discussions happening right now between the SPCS, CAL ALPA, UAL ALPA, XJT ALPA, ASA ALPA, Mesa ALPA, TSA ALPA, Colgan ALPA, Commutair ALPA (ALL UAX/CALEX ALPA carriers) to coordinate whatever the SPSC and CAL ALPA come up with as a total game strategy and specific tactics to be used to fight this on ALL fronts. Whatever this strategy is, this information and direction will be dessimanted quickly to all the ALPA carriers involved through the SPSC to exert as legal much pressure possible to UAL management and we wouldn't have this infighting between fellow professional pilots. At some point, we all should band together for the betterment of the entire industry and stop being passive about it just because its convenient.

Just a thought.

 

[bender]

CAL ALPA and SAPA are supposedly in communications.

 

[Nevets]

CAL ALPA and SAPA are supposedly in communications.

From another forum as a reply to the exact post I made above:

Originally Posted by Golden Bear
How is it any better if your flying is outsourced by union vs. non-union pilots, unless you think the union (or unionism, since those group are not even represented by the same union) is more important than the pilots and the jobs? Seems like that relationship is a bit upside down.

Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.

The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.

Originally posted by Nevets
And your idea that an organization that is not recognized by the NMB to be the legal representative of a pilot group reaching out to CAL ALPA sounds nice in your ideal non-union brotherhood fairly land but until Skywest pilots get their heads out of the sand and want to participate in this discussion by finally unionizing like the vast majority of those in our profession. But where was SAPA when DD was fighting to get his job back? Where was SAPA's team of attorneys representing DD at court? See, I can play the strawman argument as well. The ONE disagreement on pay banding between UALPA and CALPA does not mean they are not united on scope.

The point is that the ALPA SPSC committee is fully spooled up on this. This committee is comprised of pilots from many different types of airlines. The whole purpose of the SPSC is to coordinate strategy and tactics between multiple pilot groups. Pilots of multiple airlines are being coordinated to fight this scope violation. Skywest pilots find themselves in the middle of a battlefield without any real say. Someone used the term collateral damage before. I think that is a very good analogy for this situation.

Do you want to be part of the solution or put your head back in the sand while everyone else is fighting this battle?