skywest.alpa.org

[RoyalAviation2]

Get the F'in word out!

SKYWEST.ALPA.ORG

 

[viper548]

Been there....filled it out

 

[Flying Illini]

can I ask an honest question without getting flamed?
Why do the pilots of SkyWest want a union on the property? Is life really that bad? Is this to try and protect yourselves from what may happen with the ASA seniority list?
Why ALPA with all of the recent talk of them doing nothing for their
members?

Thanks for the serious responses.

 

[viper548]

can I ask an honest question without getting flamed?
Why do the pilots of SkyWest want a union on the property? Is life really that bad? Is this to try and protect yourselves from what may happen with the ASA seniority list?
Why ALPA with all of the recent talk of them doing nothing for their
members?

Thanks for the serious responses.

a lot of it has to do with ASA. Also, our "agreement" negotiations haven't been going so great. We have nothing to stand on because we cant strike. My personal reason for wanting a union is for protection from the unknown and to have a little bargining power. Our pay raises aren't keeping up with the cost of living. Even with the longevity increases, pay isn't keeping up with the cost of living. The way things are going, once you make RJ capt, that's your earning power for the rest of your time at skywest.

 

[jehtplane]

can I ask an honest question without getting flamed?
Why do the pilots of SkyWest want a union on the property? Is life really that bad? Is this to try and protect yourselves from what may happen with the ASA seniority list?
Why ALPA with all of the recent talk of them doing nothing for their
members?

Thanks for the serious responses.

How about to protect your jobs, 1.2%, future whipsawing of the pilot groups......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Our pay raises aren't keeping up with the cost of living.

At least it is going UP. Most ALPA carriers pay is going DOWN. Here is the latest offer to DALPA:


http://www.dp3.org/data/Neg.NotepadSep21.pdf

 

[viper548]

theres at least has an end date

 

[AbOvo]

I think the interest in unions is certainly related to how the pilot group is treated by management. In the past they have said they were willing to work with the pilots and were really up front. For example when our 18 month temporary agreement expired no one from management came out to say "hey we're really busy with other things right now, let's talk about it in 6 months". They just let us hang and get "updates" from our pilot representatives. Do I expect a union to necessarily change that fact? No, but I think they will have to be more responsible for their own credibility when there is a union asking questions.

Another concern is the number of pilots who get "called to the carpet" over management's personal agenda. For example, posting questions on our message board that management supposedly isn't able to access. It's come to the point that you need to take a tape recorder into every meeting with the chief pilot just to get respect and fair treatment.

Do I necessarily want a union? No. Do I think they may offer more job security and actual work rules? Yes.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about to protect your jobs, 1.2%, future whipsawing of the pilot groups......

You must be kidding jehtplane!

1. "to protect your jobs": How has ALPA been doing in this department? ALPA hasn't been "protecting" any jobs except for those in Herndon.

2. "1.2%": At least it is a positive number. The Delta pilots are about to take ANOTHER 19% paycut. The CMR pilots are about to take a paycut. Watch for more cutting to come.

3. "future whipsawing of the pilot groups": How do you figure? ALPA hasn't stopped the whipsaw between ALPA groups up to this point. How would SKYW be any different?

Put down the Herndon crack pipe...

Joe

 

[JoeMerchant]

theres at least has an end date

So this 19% paycut at Delta is better than your 1.2% payraise because it ends in 5 YEARS! The last 19% paycut the Delta pilots agreed to had an end date also - it has just been extended.

 

[OCP]

You must be kidding jehtplane!

1. "to protect your jobs": How has ALPA been doing in this department? ALPA hasn't been "protecting" any jobs except for those in Herndon.

2. "1.2%": At least it is a positive number. The Delta pilots are about to take ANOTHER 19% paycut. The CMR pilots are about to take a paycut. Watch for more cutting to come.

3. "future whipsawing of the pilot groups": How do you figure? ALPA hasn't stopped the whipsaw between ALPA groups up to this point. How would SKYW be any different?

Put down the Herndon crack pipe...

Joe

Now the difference is one company is making money, the other is in CH 11. This has NOTHING to do with how good or bad ALPA is. Southwest got a raise, unions bad for them?

 

[viper548]

So this 19% paycut at Delta is better than your 1.2% payraise because it ends in 5 YEARS! The last 19% paycut the Delta pilots agreed to had an end date also - it has just been extended.

DL is in CH 11, SKW is posting record profits. I'm not so concerned about the meager pay raise as I am about the fact that there's no end date. Hopefully DL will be turned around at the end of their agreement and they can get their pay back

 

[Wacopilot]

Skywest is about to have their Fee-per-departure rates lowered just like every Delta Connection Carrier. We shall see how "record Breaking" those profits will become.

Waco

 

[ex j-41]

Alpa?

Don;'t use ALPA. THey are not in the business of representing regional pilots.

Any regional pilot will tell u this....

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Don;'t use ALPA. THey are not in the business of representing regional pilots.

Any regional pilot will tell u this....

Not this "regional" pilot. That sound bite that I keep reading on here is getting old...very fast.

-Neal

 

[~~~^~~~]

BleDevAv8r:

You must not remember that you almost had one list with your brothers at Continental before ALPA stepped in and derailed it.

 

[jehtplane]

You must be kidding jehtplane!

1. "to protect your jobs": How has ALPA been doing in this department? ALPA hasn't been "protecting" any jobs except for those in Herndon.

2. "1.2%": At least it is a positive number. The Delta pilots are about to take ANOTHER 19% paycut. The CMR pilots are about to take a paycut. Watch for more cutting to come.

3. "future whipsawing of the pilot groups": How do you figure? ALPA hasn't stopped the whipsaw between ALPA groups up to this point. How would SKYW be any different?

Put down the Herndon crack pipe...

Joe

enjoy it!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

BleDevAv8r:

You must not remember that you almost had one list with your brothers at Continental before ALPA stepped in and derailed it.

a) That is 100% incorrect.

b) ALPA didn't come in and do "anything" to either our process or CAL's process.

Please cite your sources or come on here with facts before making such claims Fins.

-Neal

 

[pianoman]

BleDevAv8r:

You must not remember that you almost had one list with your brothers at Continental before ALPA stepped in and derailed it.

I have to disagree with that. Continental management was always STRONGLY opposed to a single seniority list. Explain to me how ALPA was to blame for that again? How did they step in and "stop" it?

If anyone did, it was our "brothers" at mainline in Houston and Guam.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I have to disagree with that. Continental management was always STRONGLY opposed to a single seniority list. Explain to me how ALPA was to blame for that again? How did they step in and "stop" it?

If anyone did, it was our "brothers" at mainline in Houston and Guam.

Pianoman,

And how on earth would you know about any of this stuff?

-Neal

 

[nimtz]

Don;'t use ALPA. THey are not in the business of representing regional pilots.

Any regional pilot will tell u this....

Ah I'm another 'regional pilot' who has been represented by ALPA perfectly fine. Dear god I even give to the PAC, too bad I'm not as enlighted with poor generalizations as you.

 

[nimtz]

BleDevAv8r:

You must not remember that you almost had one list with your brothers at Continental before ALPA stepped in and derailed it.

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Fins, you are talking out of your @ss. This ain't your element, so be quiet.

 

[Russ]

"Skywest is about to have their Fee-per-departure rates lowered just like every Delta Connection Carrier. We shall see how "record Breaking" those profits will become"

You make it sound like SkyWest hasn't been down this road. The bulk of our revenue comes from UAL. Thier bankruptcy has been lucrative for SkyWest. No reason to believe that DAL's entry will break the bank or be significantly different. On top of that we lost Continental flying and SGU is still rolling in the dough.

I will give you, you know the company line well.

 

[DrewBlows]

No Dues for Duane
ALPA is Latin for "every man for themselves"
ALPA DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MEhttp://www.dp3.org/data/Neg.NotepadSep21.pdf

Joe,
Out of curiosity, how has ALPA wronged you? You seem to have very strong anti ALPA feelings, what caused these?

 

[ex j-41]

What caused these?

How about flying a 33 million dollar jet for $22,000.

Alpa and management have done a great job of making sure the public knows
all about how pilots make 6 figures.

I am just saying that we should get a FAIR wage for work performed.
ALPA failed to negotiate this. I pay my ALPA dues for what? So i can collect
food stamps?

 

[pianoman]

Guess who negotiated the contract? YOUR negotiators. (Who are pilots on your seniority list. Who approved it? YOUR reps. Who signed it? YOUR pilots. Last I heard, we all had pilot ratification.

I expect ALPA to do many things. I don't expect them to change economic reality. When you can show me a play-by-play of what ALPA could have reasonably done to ensure you get paid a whole lot more, you let me know. They can't MAKE your pilots go on strike to get another contract.

ALPA is run by the pilots. It's no one's fault but our own if we sign away our lives to shiny jet syndrome.

THINGS I PAY MY DUES FOR:

Contract enforcement (fight my greivances)
Disciplinary representation
Accident representation
Aeromedical backup- one of their best assets
monitoring jumpseat agreements
Professional standards- if I make my FO that mad, maybe he'll go the union first instead of getting me fired right away

I don't agree with everything my MEC or ALPA nat'l does, but it's a democracy and I can't think of a better system so far.

 

[Texx]

So this 19% paycut at Delta is better than your 1.2% payraise because it ends in 5 YEARS! The last 19% paycut the Delta pilots agreed to had an end date also - it has just been extended.

Now this pilot is just pissed at ALPA. Hell he probably hasn't even done ALPA work for his own pilot group or have you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Now this pilot is just pissed at ALPA. Hell he probably hasn't even done ALPA work for his own pilot group or have you?

Joe Merchant has done ALPA work...and he should know better..

Currently he is quite bitter and can't see straight on the issues....

Unfortunatley, he is using a one silver bullet blame game....

Problem is pilots create expectations on misinformation about ALPA. When thier expectations aren't met, all hel1 breaks loose... Air Line Pilot becomes the most expensive magazine...

Getting to the regional represenation issue....

About seven years ago their was no real Regional Rep issue... why? Becuase the growth and hiring into the majors was exploding! Who cared about the regionals....nobody was staying! Thus no ALPA issue...

Fast Fwd to now... guys are pissed because thier .......expectations aren't being met.... who can we blame. Let's play the blame game, todays contestants, DW and your MEC!

If you have issues with ALPA now then you had issue with ALPA then.....funny..I didn't hear anybody complain about the ALPA negotiated UAL and DAL contract... ALPA was great... the regional pilots were simply dreaming about those UAL/DAL payrates....

But...now....it is a different tune.... Yet nobody is complaining to management about their destroyed career expectations... Why not go to your CEO and complain about your slashed pay and work rules.. Think he will give you the time of day? Management are the ones repsonsible for generating revenue and your paycheck!!

The reason pilots complian to ALPA is because ALPA are the only ones that will listen.....

I guess your 1.95% buys you a b1tch session....

I'd rather spend my dues money more effectively....


I support ALPA PAC too....

 

[FmrFreightDog]

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Fins, you are talking out of your @ss. This ain't your element, so be quiet.

You forget that you're debating the RJDC. While they may be good at scaremongering and yellow journalism, fact is not their forte.....

 

[PCL_128]

Don;'t use ALPA. THey are not in the business of representing regional pilots.

Any regional pilot will tell u this....

Not this regional pilot. In fact, I doubt you'll even get a majority of regional pilots to say this. There's just a few malcontents that are very loud in proclaiming their hatred of ALPA. They are typically just your common line pilots that have never bothered to be an ALPA volunteer or even speak to their elected reps before running their mouths about things that they don't understand. I've found that it's best to just ignore them.