Skybus

[HA25]

read this off another forum, I couldn't have said it better myself..

The naysayers are strutting out the whole 'Greyhound Bus of the Skies' metaphor, forgetting (conveniently) that all the legacy carriers out there--that would be the 'once-proud' legacy carriers--are nothing but Greyhound buses themselves. The gap between what the legacy carriers offer and what Skybus offers (in terms of service on-board) is marginal. Where the legacy carriers do shine, though, is in their vast networks. But even there, these 'networks' comprise third-tier regional carriers flying Lawn Darts. The big carriers affiliate themselves with the regional carriers when it's to their advantage to do so, and they distance themselves from them when it's to their advantage to do so (the 'Not-Our-Fault' syndrome)

so true! The reason Skybus exists, and others similar will follow is that the legacy airlines have forgotten to provide value for their price. If you're going to charge me more than Southwest, then give me more.. I swear on most domestic routes on legacy carriers I get better food on a Southwest flight than I do on those. At least Skybus gives you the chance to buy good quality food if that's what you want, or you can just sit there and sleep, you have a choice.

 

[737 Pylt]

so true! The reason Skybus exists, and others similar will follow is that the legacy airlines have forgotten to provide value for their price.

Wrong! Its because of sh1t operations like scumbus that legacy carriers have had to reduce to their service to compete! Charge $20 for a 1 way ticket and you get what you pay for!

If you're going to charge me more than Southwest, then give me more.. I swear on most domestic routes on legacy carriers I get better food on a Southwest flight than I do on those.

See the above statement!

At least Skybus gives you the chance to buy good quality food if that's what you want, or you can just sit there and sleep, you have a choice.

With 156 people crammed into a 319 with 31" seat pitch? Good luck with that.
We get it dude, you work for scumbus and are proud!
Congrats on bringing the industry even lower into the toilet!

737

 

[HA25]

I don't work for them yet, but your attitude frankly stinks.. so why should I care what you think?

Your answers from above are wrong.. it's not the low cost carriers that caused it, they're success is a by product of it. Well before 9/11 the cutbacks and service reductions had begun. Post 9/11 it's been a disaster.. Sure the Legacies (some more than others) are not bad on the International flights in terms of service, but even then they're no match for Singapore, Emirates, and the like.. Face it, the Legacies need to remake themselves and evolve, or they'll go the way of the dinosaurs (only a it will be a slow death).

Now if you can get me proof that Skybus is going to bring down your wages, I'd be happen to listen, but if you're just going to throw stones then I'm done here.

Remember, there was no Skybus when DALPA voted in their DEEP pay cuts.

 

[Shrek]

So today waiting out a delay at CMH I am sitting down eating lunch, and the pilot next to me who worked for Skybus struck up a conversation. I do not really know much about Skybus, and he filled me in. Low pay, but stock options, that is why he was there, whatever I think not my problem.
Then he ask me about flying for Eagle, I tell him that I am happy and as far as regionals go I can not think of any place I would rather work, and also that I am considering a move to Netjets. He then goes on to tell me how I should consider coming to Skybus, they may not pay a lot but at least I get to fly at a major airline. I asked him why he thinks of Skybus as a major, and his response was "because we have big planes" ..........from another thread

FMS - This Sky-Sore driver is actually SENIOR to you........lol. Very very sad.........but I am sure you will fall into that pool of Skybus-Aid and eventually have to wipe your a** with your stock options.

Have fun..........

 

[countbat]

Unfortunately, in our society, money talks, BS walks. Same with everything else, not just aviation. What about the difference between quality food restaurants and fast food chains? Or any brand stores and Wall-Mart? Everybody is bitching about Wall-Mart while does the shoping overthere. In today's wages that is a perfect store. The future will tell if the mighty public will like airlines such as Skybus? One will never know. Rest is just cheap talking. Not everyone can gets a job at Fedex(or any other legay) and the Fedex guy will not share his wages with the guy from Mesa. The guy from Fedex will defend his wages, in the same way the guy from Mesa will fight for better wages. We all know beauty is in the eyes of beholder, same way Skybus wages are good for the more needing ones. For many pilots that kind of wages are a dream comes true, for others is a joke. But life is funny many times. I have seen former United pilots (or any other legacy) who after loosing their well paid jobs, at the end of their savings, begging for food. It seems we haven't learn anything from the tragedy called 9/11.

 

[Shrek]

Begging for food......RRRIIIIGGGGHHHTTT !!!

 

[BigMeat]

The issue is this. Yes SWA, Airtran etc. payed crap when the first started. The diffrence is that then they were not great places to work (financially) until they did. Then they earned enough respect from people seeking professional careers. I wouldnt have gone to place that payed 65k a year as a captain on an Airbus. Make that 165 then they can have my attention and respect.

 

[Neubyfly]

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[The Victors]

The issue is this. Yes SWA, Airtran etc. payed crap when the first started. The diffrence is that then they were not great places to work (financially) until they did. Then they earned enough respect from people seeking professional careers. I wouldnt have gone to place that payed 65k a year as a captain on an Airbus. Make that 165 then they can have my attention and respect.

You're correct. Swa pilots did make the same pay as skyloser pilots make when swa started. The difference is that was 1971.

 

[737 Pylt]

I don't work for them yet, but your attitude frankly stinks.. so why should I care what you think?

Ok, let's try a different approach. FMS.....You've been cutting my lawn for the past 5 years making $100.00. You're happy, and are thinking its about time to up your price. But along comes a kid who knocks on my door and offers to do it for $50.00 because he got a great deal on his mower eqp and is just trying to break into the biz. I tell him that I will get back to him. Next time you show up, I tell you that I am cutting your pay in 1/2 and that I am only now willing to pay you $50.00 to do the grass or I will shop elsewhere for a gardner....You're gonna be pretty pissed at the kid willing to work for $50.00 in today's enviroment because you know it is going to be a loss for you to do it for less than what you're making. Do you think you'll have any respect/kind words for the dude that undercut you, and is now taking your business in the neighborhood. After all, in today's environment (airline/whatever) there is NO brand loyalty!

Your answers from above are wrong.. it's not the low cost carriers that caused it, they're success is a by product of it. Well before 9/11 the cutbacks and service reductions had begun.

Wrong, but keep reaching!

Post 9/11 it's been a disaster.. Sure the Legacies (some more than others) are not bad on the International flights in terms of service, but even then they're no match for Singapore, Emirates, and the like.. Face it, the Legacies need to remake themselves and evolve, or they'll go the way of the dinosaurs (only a it will be a slow death).

See my comment about brand loyalty above. Nobody cares what airline they're flying, its all about price!

Now if you can get me proof that Skybus is going to bring down your wages, I'd be happen to listen, but if you're just going to throw stones then I'm done here.

Go and re read my analogy about the guy cutting grass, and get back to me!

Remember, there was no Skybus when DALPA voted in their DEEP pay cuts.

You're right, but because SW/JB was flooding the market wth seats on the backs of the legacy carriers' cutbacks, their low pricing forced us into this predicament (sp) we find ourselves in today!
Keep adding to that by working for 1/2 what you're worth!

737

 

[Lake Alice]

You're right, but because SW/JB was flooding the market wth seats on the backs of the legacy carriers' cutbacks, their low pricing forced us into this predicament (sp) we find ourselves in today!
Keep adding to that by working for 1/2 what you're worth!

737

Wrong, but keep reaching.

I love how legacy flunkies like to blame their failures and paycuts on a JB. Like their 13 aircraft in 2001 or 25 total aircraft in 2002 and roughly 19 cities had anything to do with your situation. Cmon'. You have some brains don't you?

 

[Hpilot]

Ok, let's try a different approach. FMS.....You've been cutting my lawn for the past 5 years making $100.00. You're happy, and are thinking its about time to up your price. But along comes a kid who knocks on my door and offers to do it for $50.00 because he got a great deal on his mower eqp and is just trying to break into the biz. I tell him that I will get back to him. Next time you show up, I tell you that I am cutting your pay in 1/2 and that I am only now willing to pay you $50.00 to do the grass or I will shop elsewhere for a gardner....You're gonna be pretty pissed at the kid willing to work for $50.00 in today's enviroment because you know it is going to be a loss for you to do it for less than what you're making. Do you think you'll have any respect/kind words for the dude that undercut you, and is now taking your business in the neighborhood. After all, in today's environment (airline/whatever) there is NO brand loyalty!


Wrong, but keep reaching!

See my comment about brand loyalty above. Nobody cares what airline they're flying, its all about price!


Go and re read my analogy about the guy cutting grass, and get back to me!


You're right, but because SW/JB was flooding the market wth seats on the backs of the legacy carriers' cutbacks, their low pricing forced us into this predicament (sp) we find ourselves in today!
Keep adding to that by working for 1/2 what you're worth!

737

Oh crap, I actually agree with something 737 Pile-it said. It's time for a shot of Crown.:beer:

 

[HA25]

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2007/10/22/daily4.html

 

[737 Pylt]

Wrong, but keep reaching.

I love how legacy flunkies like to blame their failures and paycuts on a JB. Like their 13 aircraft in 2001 or 25 total aircraft in 2002 and roughly 19 cities had anything to do with your situation. Cmon'. You have some brains don't you?

I love it even more when 1/2 priced pilots actually believe they're contributing to the industry!

737

 

[GuppyWN]

It's a double edged sword. If you're paying $100 to have your grass cut when you can get it cut for $50 and have the same or even more caring job done then who's the fool?

While I would like to see everybody charge $100 to cut the grass I just don't think you have a valid arguement.

Gup

 

[Lake Alice]

I love it even more when 1/2 priced pilots actually believe they're contributing to the industry!

737

Some folks were forced into this position and are not defending the lack of pay and benefits. All I was pointing out is that you are wrong and your argument is flawed and try and come up with something better than "1/2 priced pilots" because as it stands right now the salaries are very comparable.

 

[siucavflight]

Why is this in the majors section?

Is it because they fly bigger airplanes?

 

[Capt. X]

Probably because it impacts your career.

 

[737 Pylt]

Some folks were forced into this position and are not defending the lack of pay and benefits. All I was pointing out is that you are wrong and your argument is flawed and try and come up with something better than "1/2 priced pilots" because as it stands right now the salaries are very comparable.

Its only comparable (and in some cases better) because of you guys and your pals at southwest!

737

 

[jetflier]

Little meat you seem to stretch your associations pretty far.... could it be a touch of the mad cow disease?
I actively back my union, have volunteered on a regular basis and am well liked by my peers.
Just WTF does wanting to get in on the ground floor of a start up have to do with crossing a picket line? What wages I'm willing to start at is really my own business, I wouldn't be so willing to start there if I didn't know that pay raises will follow as things get up to speed. I know a lot of guys who sold their souls to fly a B1900 for midwest/mesa, to get a foot in the door, how is that any different. Guys made a whole lot more flying turbo props at other companies.....seems like some hypocritical thinking to me. (accepting $25 an hour and no health insurance for 6 months is pretty desperate too, don't you think? Do I assume you are going to cross a picket line because of it? No, I'm not in high school anymore.....)

Do Ya think that the "Longshoremen, Plumbers, Electricians unions would even let you show up at a job site with an attitude like that ?

Agreeing to work for substandard wages would never be tolerated by the membership. They are a cohesive group and would not allow their jobs to be replaced with minimum wage workers...you wouldn't even be able to enter the parking lot to go to work.

Well, Pilots aren't a cohesive group....You can enter the parking lot without being hassled....

But if the shoe fits,....wear it !!!