Skybus

[instructordude]

People should also spit on folks that pay an airline so they can play copilot.

Why would you want to spit on anybody?

It is good to embrace different people and respect the varying backgrounds (Scabs, PFT, Airtran pilots, etc....:laugh in this career. Diversity is a wonderful thing.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Why would you want to spit on anybody?

It is good to embrace different people and respect the varying backgrounds (Scabs, PFT, Airtran pilots, etc....:laugh in this career. Diversity is a wonderful thing.

Are you as much of a flamer when you go out at night as you are on this board? ******************************BAG

 

[Ezralite]

How long until HoJets gets a flow-through with SkyBust?

 

[oceandude]

And that is what happens when you work at Gojet.

Good luck in Bangladesh and be positive!

Never worked at Gojet. Is it just teenagers on this board? Narrow minded......

 

[Jmoney]

Well, let me tell you

Why would you want to spit on anybody?

It is good to embrace different people and respect the varying backgrounds (Scabs, PFT, Airtran pilots, etc....:laugh in this career. Diversity is a wonderful thing.

This idiot "instructordude" claims to have worked for GoJets and now claims to be working for DAL. Problem is, he can't keep his story straight. Many people remember all the lies he told on the regional boards.The road is twisty, but the first rule of good BS is "at least keep your own BS straight."

Not that hard.... but this guy is an exceptional tool with the ability to piss off almost every single person who reads his posts. I still think this guy is a fraud, just someone screwing around to see how many people will flame him. DAL has hired some tools, but I can see no way any major would actually hire some idiot like this "instructordude" character. Anyone who seriously has thought processes like this is clearly insane.

-You are either a complete clown or a complete fraud! Either way I am glad everyone here can see what a fool you are!

 

[instructordude]

This idiot "instructordude" claims to have worked for GoJets and now claims to be working for DAL. Problem is, he can't keep his story straight. Many people remember all the lies he told on the regional boards.The road is twisty, but the first rule of good BS is "at least keep your own BS straight."

Not that hard.... but this guy is an exceptional tool with the ability to piss off almost every single person who reads his posts. I still think this guy is a fraud, just someone screwing around to see how many people will flame him. DAL has hired some tools, but I can see no way any major would actually hire some idiot like this "instructordude" character. Anyone who seriously has thought processes like this is clearly insane.

-You are either a complete clown or a complete fraud! Either way I am glad everyone here can see what a fool you are!

The regional boards?? Gotme on that one J-Monkey.

God you guys crack me up.:laugh:

 

[A350]

PCL:

You and I disagree on a lot of things, most things actually.

But for you to get on here and call Skybus guys "whores" when you paid for your job in the first place is somewhat hypocritical, don't you think?

They may not make what you think they should, but at least they are getting paid to work and not paying to get somewhere they otherwise wouldn't have had the opportunity to.

A350

 

[BoilerUP]

Not to defend PCL, but in my mind there's a HUGE difference between paying for an entry-level aviation job and accepting sub-RJ wages to be the captain of an Airbus....

 

[Freight Dog]

Top SNB payrate:

DAL: $151/hr
AAI: $153/hr

In other words, AAI isn't undercutting anyone. Not to mention that our contract has been amendable for 3 years and will soon see massive improvements. DALPA pilots certainly have reason to criticize the old-timers around here who agreed to wages that undercut them back in '99, however. Of course, very few pilots at this company were around back then, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to even think about it. If we approve a contract next year that doesn't raise the bar, then I fully expect the DAL pilots to treat us like scum, and we'd deserve it. I don't foresee that happening.

PCL... you do realize that DAL FO's used to make what AAI captains ARE CURRENTLY making flying the same equipment, don't you?

No innocents in this battle... only hypocrites.

 

[737 Pylt]

Coach and Miss L. loved me, but Mr. Uhmmm. is a tough nut to crack....... (all 3 had to dig you)
In 6 months we just might see again.
Still a great over all experience!

Sure there's risk but what other airline will you get to the left seat so fast?

Skybus has got a shot at being something very big if it just scratches the surface of what Ryan Air is doing in Europe. They have even gotten their costs lower because of this:

http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/archiv/2006/2006/Airbus/20061106_airbus_skybus.html

Time will tell....

Before you go down on bended knee about Ryan Air, perhaps you should do a little research on Michale O'Leary, the CEO of Ryan Air, and his business approach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Leary_(Ryanair)

Its real easy, he doesn't have one. He pays what he thinks a product is worth, that includes employees. If he thinks an employee is making too much, he just fires them, if someone complains, he just fires them.
Then there's the little tidbit about vendors. If he agrees to something, he will then go back on that ageement, paying them what he thinks its worth. If they don't like it, too bad!
Don't think that kind of philosophy isn't possible at scumbus!
I wish you success there, but I think you're making a terrible mistake. We, in the US don't need that type of product.
Also, it might be in your best interest to ask a VA or BA pilot, better yet, Aer Lingus pilot, what they think of their peers at the wonderful Ryan Air.

737

 

[HA25]

Before you go down on bended knee about Ryan Air, perhaps you should do a little research on Michale O'Leary, the CEO of Ryan Air, and his business approach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Leary_(Ryanair)

Its real easy, he doesn't have one. He pays what he thinks a product is worth, that includes employees. If he thinks an employee is making too much, he just fires them, if someone complains, he just fires them.
Then there's the little tidbit about vendors. If he agrees to something, he will then go back on that ageement, paying them what he thinks its worth. If they don't like it, too bad!
Don't think that kind of philosophy isn't possible at scumbus!
I wish you success there, but I think you're making a terrible mistake. We, in the US don't need that type of product.
Also, it might be in your best interest to ask a VA or BA pilot, better yet, Aer Lingus pilot, what they think of their peers at the wonderful Ryan Air.

737

Exceot O'Leary isn't running Skybus.. This guy is, and he's about as similar an Airline CEO as Bob Six is to Frank Lorenzo...

Read his book, I did as part of my MBA and you'll understand why this airlines employees are in better hands.

Here is a snippet of the book..

 

[HA25]

for those with ADD disorder here is a small synoptic..

The Samurai Leader is a brilliant guide for succeeding in today's very complex business environment. Its unique vision offers both help on winning the battles a manager faces in business but also a way of being that will empower an ethical, creative and productive career.? -Gordon Bethune, Chairman and CEO, Continental Airlines In the wake of Enron and the rash of corporate scandals, ethics and integrity are two of the biggest topics in business. Can you be ethical and aggressive, honorable and accomplished? You can. The Samurai Leader provides business managers with the lessons of courage, honor and integrity from one of the most ancient, respected and successful sources: the samurai code. The book is filled with both samurai and business stories that gives examples of samurai principles and how to apply them to business, including: --Honor --Courage --Rectitude --Loyalty --Compassion

I'd rather work for him than that new tool DAL got.

 

[737 Pylt]

I'd rather work for him than that new tool DAL got.

That explains it all........
Good luck at scumbus!

737

 

[atafan]

Here's just a small list:

I remember when SWA was the new kid on the block and the "major airline" pilots made fun of them and thumbed their noses at the idea of working for this scrappy little airline.

I remember when Value Jet started, everyone laughed at them and prayed for their failure.

I remember when Jet Blue started. I'll give them 2 to three years, what a bunch of losers, how many times did I hear that?

How about those PFT whores we all heard about 7 to ten years ago, well many of those guys and gals are captains at SWA, AirTran, JetBlue and other "major airlines".

My point:
You can't fight change by holding out your services because you think you are above it. Change is going to happen, either embrace it and make things better in time or have your little empire get it's butt whipped by the SWA's, JetBlue's or the AirTran's of today. The market will determine if these new business models will work in the USA.

If you feel better by not taking advantage of the new airlines like SkyBus or Virgin, good for you, but don't stick your nose up at those that do.

You might need a job from one of those guys ten years from now.:bawling:

 

[TheRaven]

Because Skybus is just like Ryan Air and soon will be bigger then SWA because the traveling public could careless what any of us make as long as they get the cheapest ticket.

Bailey

How much less could the flying public care...just a little, or a lot less. I think you meant to say "COULD NOT CARE LESS"

 

[Shrek]

Here's just a small list:

I remember when SWA was the new kid on the block and the "major airline" pilots made fun of them and thumbed their noses at the idea of working for this scrappy little airline.

I remember when Value Jet started, everyone laughed at them and prayed for their failure.

I remember when Jet Blue started. I'll give them 2 to three years, what a bunch of losers, how many times did I hear that?

How about those PFT whores we all heard about 7 to ten years ago, well many of those guys and gals are captains at SWA, AirTran, JetBlue and other "major airlines".

My point:
You can't fight change by holding out your services because you think you are above it. Change is going to happen, either embrace it and make things better in time or have your little empire get it's butt whipped by the SWA's, JetBlue's or the AirTran's of today. The market will determine if these new business models will work in the USA.

If you feel better by not taking advantage of the new airlines like SkyBus or Virgin, good for you, but don't stick your nose up at those that do.

You might need a job from one of those guys ten years from now.:bawling:

If the choice is to fly for SkyBus or not at all........not at all it is then. Doubt there will even be a Union there.

This whole - I am gunna get mine and screw everybody else crap has to STOP.........it is pathetic-selfish and in the long run detrimental to wages and QOL for every pilot out there.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL... you do realize that DAL FO's used to make what AAI captains ARE CURRENTLY making flying the same equipment, don't you?

Of course. And back then, AAI and JetBlue were the problems that eventually paved the way for the massive concessions that we've seen. Now Skybus and VA are here doing the same thing. Are we going to learn from the past and not repeat it, or are we going to stumble right into the same mistakes and watch as 737/Airbus pay plummets to RJ levels? Those that work for and defend Skybus are choosing the latter.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Before you go down on bended knee about Ryan Air, perhaps you should do a little research on Michale O'Leary, the CEO of Ryan Air, and his business approach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Leary_(Ryanair)

Its real easy, he doesn't have one. He pays what he thinks a product is worth, that includes employees. If he thinks an employee is making too much, he just fires them, if someone complains, he just fires them.
Then there's the little tidbit about vendors. If he agrees to something, he will then go back on that ageement, paying them what he thinks its worth. If they don't like it, too bad!
Don't think that kind of philosophy isn't possible at scumbus!
I wish you success there, but I think you're making a terrible mistake. We, in the US don't need that type of product.
Also, it might be in your best interest to ask a VA or BA pilot, better yet, Aer Lingus pilot, what they think of their peers at the wonderful Ryan Air.

737

I appreciate the concern but I declined the job offer from SkyBus...... thanks for the warning though. I have heard that pilots at Ryan Air have no love for the guy that runs the place. Other than Herb @ SWA years ago where has any pilot ever shown "love" for management??????

 

[Freight Dog]

Of course. And back then, AAI and JetBlue were the problems that eventually paved the way for the massive concessions that we've seen. Now Skybus and VA are here doing the same thing. Are we going to learn from the past and not repeat it, or are we going to stumble right into the same mistakes and watch as 737/Airbus pay plummets to RJ levels? Those that work for and defend Skybus are choosing the latter.

Right, and now we're all suffering as the result of AAI and JetBlue undercutting. So what's the difference between Skybus and VA today as opposed to AAI and JetBlue yesterday? Hey, after all you took a job with AAI because you accepted the new "industry standard."

I guess what I'm trying to say is that "defending the profession" doesn't start at Boeing/Airbus level. It starts at the bottom. It starts with a pilot not paying an EAL scab to work for him as a required crewmember. It starts with a pilot not accepting a job at a sh*tty regional like Mesa or PCL for example.
When pilots entering this industry say it's not worth their time to work for these lowball outfits, that's when you'll see changes. Fortunately, it's starting to look that way...

 

[737 Pylt]

I appreciate the concern but I declined the job offer from SkyBus...... thanks for the warning though.

Good move......

I have heard that pilots at Ryan Air have no love for the guy that runs the place. Other than Herb @ SWA years ago where has any pilot ever shown "love" for management??????

Roger that!

737