Lear, where are you getting your retirement numbers? I'm not buying your AAI and JBLU numbers.
AAI numbers are straight from the NPA and our seniority list on a monthly basis. JB numbers are from a good friend of mine who's helping organize the union drive. There's a couple AAI instructors who want to come back, but the contract doesn't allow for them to come back as CA's so none of them have... yet.
I've seen CAL posts indicating that retirements have decreased significantly - there are even over 60 sim instructors returning to the line! So your CAL retirement comments don't match up with what CAL pilots are reporting.
I've seen mentioning of those sim instructors, but I haven't seen anything that says ALL 60 are returning, just that they can and SOME of them are. The numbers I'm hearing and yours aren't matching up.
What are the percentages of over 60 retiring at each airline? At United it's running at around 10%. AMR had a spike due to the structure of their retirement payout, but I bet that they'll flatline once the stock price stabilizes. Over 60 pilots are returning to Southwest, getting priority in hiring. I'd bet that very few retirements are occurring at USAirways. I have yet to read, other than your post, that most pilots are retiring at 60.
I didn't say "most", I said "many". Most carriers that still have pensions have many pilots choosing to take their money and go home. The ones that don't are the ones that are staying.
Which is exactly what the bill was designed to do; allow them to continue working to shore up their retirement and continue earning money until their social security can be drawn with no penalty and they are able to draw on medicare.
Again, the age 60+ pilots are not the reason that furloughs will likely happen at some carriers. Sun Country is the only carrier I know of that has even started furloughing pilots and they do that every year anyway. When the furloughs start, get back to me and let me know how many that are DIRECTLY contributed to age 65.
You're taking my comments about your father way too personal. I pointed it out because that's the reason why you support age 65. ... you also conveniently forgot to mention his savings and investment strategy prior to retirement. And yes, you have told your dad's story, including his investments.
No, I haven't told the full story, just pieces of it. And you WERE being directly personal as an attack, and I quote:
Now, care to share your dad's story? Guys like him are a BIG part of the problem. The difference between his behavior and the guy on the bottom of the list going to work at Skybus is, well, he wasn't at the bottom of the list.
You attacked his "behavior", linked it to the same sort of people who would take a job at Skybus (even though he could have applied in the last several months since age 65 was signed and DIDN'T), and said that "guys like him are a BIG part of the problem".
If you don't think that's a personal attack, you need to re-assess your definition.
It'll be interesting to see the outrage from guys at the bottom of the seniority list toward 65 as they get furloughed. I've got the feeling that the law of unintended consequences will be in full force where the new furloughees will end up working for sub-Skybus wages and drag down the entire industry payscales.
Not going to happen, but the alarmist drama is quite amusing.
No one in their right mind would even ATTEMPT to start up a carrier with $100+ a brl oil and the economy in full recessionary mode.
I'm certain that there will be a few who are angry to be on the streets, look at the age 60+ guys and cry foul, and I'm not saying they don't have a right to be angry (I've been on the streets three times now, I know, it sucks). But that's the risk we take righting a wrong that never should have existed.
But then again, we've taken a thread that wasn't about age 65 and turned it into one. Every thread always devolves after page 10 to either a flaming war, an age 60 debate, a rant against ALPA, or a flame on Skybus/Mesa, or a combination of some or all of those things.