General Lee
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General -
Do you think it would be fair that a NWA pilot based in DTW who was hired 10 years after you should be able to bid into ATL as Captain and leapfrog over you by hundreds of positions ?
I want your PHX F/O friend to bid Captain - when his doh in PHX allows him to do it - if he wants to bid clt - that is fine also as long as it is by doh - not by jumping over hundreds of pilots just because he thinks he won a lottery.
I just don't understand how you think it would be fair , as long as it wasn't happening to you?
(Of course my assumption is that you are original DAL - if your original NWA ) then i understand)!��
Metrojet
Your assumption is correct. Mergers are NEVER fun, but airlines aren't equal. Some are close, but some have strengths the others do not. A merger of total equals would be easy, blend them right together, 1 for 1. It never is that easy. First off, both agreed to binding arbitration. I know I harp on that, but it is extremely important. So, the NEUTRAL will decide what is fair. He saw the financials, he saw what "was going on." He then asked the two parties to try to merge the lists first. They couldn't. Then he tried to help them. They wouldn't. Then he listened to each of them give their own case, and then after that, he even asked the East side to come off the DOH request and try something else (that was a huge hint). When they wouldn't, he gave a list that he thought was fair, given the overall circumstances. He even gave an essay explaining it. He saw some big differences, like USAir East's INTL ops and widebody ops, and gave the top 500 spots to all East guys. But after that, he thought it was FAIR to blend it in, given USAir's poor financials etc.
Regardless of how you and I think, this arbitrator was there and heard the facts, and watched them try to hack it out. It was his call.
In the DL/NWA merger, there were DL guys who were hired two years after NWA guys that were placed in front of them on the eventual list. The 3 arbitrators decided that was fair. There were DL 2007 hires that were placed in front of year 2000 hires at NWA. (the FNWA guys were furloughed and the DL guys were actively flying longer) That may not seem fair, but the 3 saw it that way. (those same FNWA pilots actually are paid more than the 2007 DL guys ahead of them, the FNWA guys were given longevity credit for each year they were out on furlough---so some of them are paid 12th year rates, while the 2007 guys are still on 6 or 7 year pay---something they would not have gotten in the NWA contract, and something UAL did not give their own furloughs)
So, overall, it all comes down to the NEUTRAL. If you don't want to gamble, then don't sign up for it. It's like signing up for Judge Judy. She seems nice, but in the end you may have to pay up. What happens if you don't pay up? I think someone would eventually come knocking, and that is the same with binding arbitration. Eventually you will have to give up.
Bye Bye---General Lee