Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[B727Driver]

Junior, think again.

Profits????

2 BK's, loss of pensions, huge paycuts and over 50% of your flying outsourced.

After all that, you can't help but make a profit.

 

[MCDU]

Junior, think again.

Profits????

2 BK's, loss of pensions, huge paycuts and over 50% of your flying outsourced.

After all that, you can't help but make a profit.

Nice avatar.

M

 

[xanderman]

Nice avatar.

M

That goes for the both of you! Wait... You don't think... Nah. Couldn't be! Is MCDU's avatar the bottom half of B727Driver's?!?!?!? Oh man! That would be a whole lotta woman!!!!!

 

[doh]

I love these threads! Vitriol right up to DFR II!

 

[BeCareful!]

Ooooooo Weeeee! Lots of east hubris here... Gotta love it. Don't forget boys and girls the company asked for a declaratory judgement. It may stir things up a bit. No matter what the east THINKS the 9th said it'll turn out one of two ways. Either DFR II when their DOH list is implemented or the DJ filing by the company will render USAPA's negotiations for anything other than the Nic DOA.

Doesn't matter guys. You either live up to your agreements or deal with the ******************** storm that we are living in.

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.) In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon. The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

 

[xanderman]

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.)

I understand that. Did you know ALPA didn't allow that before the negotiation, mediation and subsequent arbitration? Did you ever think it may turn out unsatisfactory? I am glad that USAPA does allow voting, I'm no ALPA fan. But that in and of itself does not excuse the east from their obligation to live with terms their leadership negotiates. It's kinda like no one claiming they voted for the current contract...everyone still has to live with it.


In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon.[/quote]

Perhaps. I am sure that USAPA will get to negotiating right away now that they feel free to do so. When and if S22 is implemented we'll start DFR II. Don't take it personally. I don't take your DOH stance personally! It's just how things are gonna be...

The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

We'll see won't we. Either way I do believe we all need to get on with life here. I think Nic is fair as it was rendered by a neutral third party and you feel USAPA's imposition of their ideology/DOH is fair. I get it man! It's whats good for you. Nic is what's good for me. Have a good weekend and see ya 'round...

 

[Ocity]

No one voted on the "agreement" you speak of; ALPA doesn't allow it (USAPA is, of course, different in this regard.) In any case, I believe you'll find that with ALPA long gone, for myriad reasons, there is no party here any more that agreed to anything. Perhaps this will become clearer to you soon. The company's actions, as well as those of your crack lawyer, are going to bring this essential fact out (no matter how hard your pocket-judge tried to suppress it.)

ALPA is not gone for "myriad" reasons. ALPA was voted off for one, singular solitary reason...to attempt to grant the East another bite at the apple. All of the pretense and lies were flushed out in the courtroom. There is no other arguments to make in that regard.

How many "parties" on the East voted for your ALPA contract? Funny how EVERY LETTER of that contract is still enforceable. Why? ALPA is gone. Why can't the company toss your contract and just inform you that you now make minimum wage with no benefits? Why is the company bound to honor a contract that you say doesn't apply to you any more because you changed your name?

See how easy it is to flush out the hypocrisy and lies? That's why it was so easy to convict those USAPA A-holes the first time around. The facts and merits have not changed, in fact USAPA's recent behavior have cemented their intentions to deal in bad faith to get what they demand. IOW the Case for AOL has gotten much easier to prove. Considering the fact that a JURY of 9 UNANIMOUSLY voted to convict USAPA of a DFR in under 90 minutes should make you just a tad leary of DFRII.

One way or another, USAPA is doomed. There is nothing based in record or fact to indicate otherwise.

 

[johnnyb]

ALPA is not gone for "myriad" reasons. ALPA was voted off for one, singular solitary reason...to attempt to grant the East another bite at the apple.

All of the pretense and lies were flushed out in the courtroom.

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

 

[becket]

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Explain how a "victory" on ripeness is going to benefit you EVER? You know DRFII is just a pen stroke away...we all know how that turned out last time. Also, it's more than clear the company is having serious issues giving into your illegal demands. The 9th didn't do you any favors. In fact, the 9th has just kept you on LOA 93 for a few more years and in the end, You're still going to be forced to live to your agreements. YOU and YOUR PILOT GROUP...NOT THE NAME ON THE UNION DOOR! The nic. is going to be implemented. The 3 parties are contractually bound to it. No getting out of it.

The 9th had a chance to end this and they failed everybody. Square 1 with a clear vision of what the future holds (DFR Conviction) is hardly the victory I would have wanted if I were you.

 

[Cowboy75]

Funny, last time I checked 3 of 5 current ALPA DFR legal actions were by the East.

Courtroom? Guess you missed the latest yesterday .....

Judge Wake’s Order directs that “the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17, 2009 is vacated.” Furthermore, the Order mandates that the entire Addington action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Let's see what happens when you present that fantasy list. For one, you don't know if the company will accept the list and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.

Two: DFRII

 

[BeCareful!]

Ocity, glad to see you're so sure of yourself. Big words there, Brother. "Attitude...is everything," but only if you're Andre Aggassi.

Becket...DRFII with only a pen stroke? That's going to be one helluva pen stroke. How much does you lawyer charge for a "pen stroke?" Are you super, super sure of what you're writing here, like the Ocity?

Cowboy...I know you like that "fantasy list" thing. But how much of a fantasy is it when every other group on our property merged by straight DOH? I mean, I understand the issues inside and out, but I think your "fantasy" term is a bit strong. But that's OK; cowboys need to be very sure of themselves, so keep using that powerful spin when you write here. You'll sleep better knowing, for absolute certain like Ocity and Becket, that USAPA is just a pen stroke away from extinction.

I'll tell you this, this little FI.com world has nothing to do with reality, actual law, or much else. You guys control the tone here, but you can't change what's really happening just by stirring the Internet up with one-sided, woe-is-us spin and false legal bravado. All three of you seem painfully unaware of what the 9th's ruling actually means. Good luck with that "pen stroke."

 

[Guppiedriver]

I'll tell you this, this little FI.com world has nothing to do with reality, actual law, or much else. You guys control the tone here, but you can't change what's really happening just by stirring the Internet up with one-sided, woe-is-us spin and false legal bravado. All three of you seem painfully unaware of what the 9th's ruling actually means.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Turtle21]

Ocity, glad to see you're so sure of yourself. Big words there, Brother. "Attitude...is everything," but only if you're Andre Aggassi.

Becket...DRFII with only a pen stroke? That's going to be one helluva pen stroke. How much does you lawyer charge for a "pen stroke?" Are you super, super sure of what you're writing here, like the Ocity?

Cowboy...I know you like that "fantasy list" thing. But how much of a fantasy is it when every other group on our property merged by straight DOH? I mean, I understand the issues inside and out, but I think your "fantasy" term is a bit strong. But that's OK; cowboys need to be very sure of themselves, so keep using that powerful spin when you write here. You'll sleep better knowing, for absolute certain like Ocity and Becket, that USAPA is just a pen stroke away from extinction.

I'll tell you this, this little FI.com world has nothing to do with reality, actual law, or much else. You guys control the tone here, but you can't change what's really happening just by stirring the Internet up with one-sided, woe-is-us spin and false legal bravado. All three of you seem painfully unaware of what the 9th's ruling actually means. Good luck with that "pen stroke."

You are far too dismissive of the power of their posts on the forum... after all they have General Lee, Rez, and PCL on their side, the most infamous posters of all. Those guys slurp ALPA hard enough to sway reality.. don't they? I mean ALPA is gonna save the oppressed aren't they? :blush:

 

[Cowboy75]

Cowboy...I know you like that "fantasy list" thing. But how much of a fantasy is it when every other group on our property merged by straight DOH? I mean, I understand the issues inside and out, but I think your "fantasy" term is a bit strong. But that's OK; cowboys need to be very sure of themselves, so keep using that powerful spin when you write here. You'll sleep better knowing, for absolute certain like Ocity and Becket, that USAPA is just a pen stroke away from extinction.

I'll tell you this, this little FI.com world has nothing to do with reality, actual law, or much else. You guys control the tone here, but you can't change what's really happening just by stirring the Internet up with one-sided, woe-is-us spin and false legal bravado. All three of you seem painfully unaware of what the 9th's ruling actually means. Good luck with that "pen stroke."

I hear the bottles are popping in CLT. Go ahead and celebrate a hallow victory. It just makes it all sweeter seeing you people get your DOH hopes up to see them dashed in the future.

Better reach for the asprin cause you all are going to quite a hangover.

 

[FDJ2]

NOthing like a deltoid to sling mud- you guys are such class acts. How do you live with yourselfs?

We honor our commitments. You should try it some time.

 

[Turtle21]

We honor our commitments. You should try it some time.

Oh, our commitment should be quite obvious by now. It has cost you over 2M$ and caused Judge Wake to eat crow. No problems looking in the mirror or getting a good night sleep. ta-ta.:beer:

 

[TWA Dude]

How much does you lawyer charge for a "pen stroke?"

Funny how concerned Easties are about how much our lawyers cost. Thank you, but we're doing just fine. If you'd like to contribute please visit http://www.cactuspilot.org/Leonidas_Contributions_31AUG08.html

 

[formerdal]

We honor our commitments. You should try it some time.

Being a Deltoid You have no idea what either side is going through. I am a Delta guy too and you have no right to judge...leave it to them.

 

[Ocity]

Funny how concerned Easties are about how much our lawyers cost. Thank you, but we're doing just fine. If you'd like to contribute please visit http://www.cactuspilot.org/Leonidas_Contributions_31AUG08.html

The Funny thing is West legal fees are around HALF what Seham has been bilking the Angry FO Club out of.

 

[FDJ2]

Being a Deltoid You have no idea what either side is going through. I am a Delta guy too and you have no right to judge...leave it to them.

Both sides signed up for binding arbitration, now one side wants to use the power of an abusive majority to not honor that commitment. Pathetic. The unwillingness of the east pilots to honor their commitments has a negative effect on all pilots. They bring shame and discredit to themselves.