Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[cactusboy53]

Are you pre-emptively stating that the WEST would NOT honor a strike on the US Airways property? What exactly are the WEST pilots willing to do???? All ears/eyes are on YOU!!

I am afraid your cart is several blocks (if not miles) in front of your horse. The NAC has a whopping 6 section (and small ones at that) completed. There are not many mediation events scheduled. I don't see USAPA getting that close to an end TA let alone ever being released for any kind of a strike.

 

[xanderman]

Are you pre-emptively stating that the WEST would NOT honor a strike on the US Airways property? What exactly are the WEST pilots willing to do???? All ears/eyes are on YOU!!

Not saying I condone crossing any legitimate picket line but this scenario begs the question; does one support a union that is hell-bent on sticking it to you? I think you'll find that it's hard enough to have a pilot group come together for a work action even in the most unified examples. IF it ever came to this, USAPA would be stupid to let it happen. But then USAPA has proven it will not listen to any advice that is contrary to its dictatorial rule.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Denny:
The above post is super spot on, and if it makes it past the nazi moderators, then you are my new hero!:beer:

 

[Cowboy75]

Are you pre-emptively stating that the WEST would NOT honor a strike on the US Airways property? What exactly are the WEST pilots willing to do???? All ears/eyes are on YOU!!

Strike for what? I don't participate in illegal job actions for rouge unions. I'll just enjoy my time off and golf.

They are on their own.

 

[Cowboy75]

The case was dismissed last week and not a peep out of AOL. Or has it been 'members only" ?

Here's a little peep from AOL:

So given the clear reservations that the company has in acting on USAPA’s DOH scheme, we suspect that there are probably many pilots on the East who are wondering why the company is concerned about anything other than what the majority of pilots insist upon. The answer lies in something called the Glover doctrine, which we will explain in a moment. But for now, let’s rewind the clock three years - to the time when the back of the van gang was conceptualizing USAPA. We all can remember the smug assurances that seniority can be negotiated like crew meals. They never missed an opportunity to get before East pilots and guarantee that nothing would stand in the way for a majority to negotiate something that is merely a contract term in a collective bargaining agreement. It all seemed so easy: kick ALPA off the property, create a new union, and proffer whatever seniority list the majority wanted. Naturally the company would be willing participants because there would be no reason for them to not go along with what the majority wanted. Seham even had the gall to characterize this scheme as one which will bring labor peace.

Now fast forward to where we are today. The West successfully prosecuted a claim against the new union for breaching their duty to fairly represent all of their members. This was achieved in record time and the result was a unanimous jury verdict whose pronouncement could not be clearer: DOH is not fair in light of the fact that there already was an arbitrated seniority list. USAPA appealed and unfortunately two of the three appellate judges decided that the DFR case was litigated prematurely. Despite this setback for the West, what the majority did make crystal clear was that their decision was only based on a technicality of timing; they did not touch the merits of the underlying DFR action. Nevertheless, the majority did take the liberty to leave USAPA with a veiled warning to negotiate for the benefit of all pilots and under the pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR action once there is a ratified contract.

What we are seeing now with the company’s declaratory action is another piece of the puzzle that USAPA and its founders conveniently never told their East constituents about: the Hybrid DFR, also referred to as the Glover Doctrine. If anyone on the East cares to research what this legal claim is, click here to pull up the West Plaintiff’s response to the Company’s motion to have the original case against them dismissed. Read pages 6-8 and note the contractual connection Glover affords union members to their company in certain situations. If a contractual relationship exists, then remedies likely exist for breach of that contract. This ladies and gentlemen is precisely why the company is concerned about acting on USAPA’s scheme to circumvent the arbitrated seniority list and is therefore asking for guidance from the federal courts on what they can and cannot do.

For all US Airways pilots, what this means is that there are two vast chasms that USAPA must surmount in order to achieve its dream of DOH: (1) the inevitable DFR II once there is a ratified contract; and (2) getting the company officers to agree to expose the corporation and its shareholders to a Glover claim from the West. Despite all of USAPA’s pronouncements to the contrary, USAPA is in no way “free” to negotiate DOH in section 22. What is now painfully obvious is that the USAPA founders and their legal counsel did not tell the East pilots the entire story. They didn’t even have the integrity to slap a one size font disclaimer on the back of their DOH ruse which could only be read using a magnifying glass. In short, the reality of the DOH fraud is coming to light, so in our opinion it really does not matter how many mediated negotiation sessions are scheduled.

US Airways made it clear they feel caught in the middle of the (already arbitrated) seniority integration and want to remain neutral. There was a time in late 2007 when Doug Parker could have done the right thing and made this all moot (Joint Statement of Labor Principles Letter). A true leader follows his words with action. Now he and US Airways need the legal system to save them from themselves.

“Indeed, USAPA ignores the injuries alleged in US Airways’ Complaint, which make clear that there is at least a “fair possibility” that US Airways could be harmed.” DOC 31, P5.

We expect USAPA to file their reply to both the company and the Addington Class within a few days. The District Court will dictate what happens next and we will keep you informed every step of the way.

Thank you for your continued support of this legal effort to protect the careers of all West pilots.

Sincerely,


Leonidas LLC

 

[MCDU]

Permanent seperate ops. West keeps PHX. Problem solved.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Permanent seperate ops. West keeps PHX. Problem solved.

M

Doosh:
However will your boyfriend pay the bills on that stellar $95/hr 20 year f/o rate on the 190?:laugh:

 

[xanderman]

Permanent seperate ops. West keeps PHX. Problem solved.

M

Gosh! You know what! That is a spectacular idea!!!! Oh...wait... The company seems mighty interested in putting this issue to bed and getting on with life. Read their filing concerning USAPA's motion to stay the company's DJ. Seems fairly urgent to get this settled. But I don't like to discourage children so I say get your pen out and you write that letter to Doug! I am sure he'll be pleased you care.

Have a good one!

 

[Lear70]

CLR is spot-on.

I understand all of you are VERY angry about the East/West dispute, as it affects your livelihoods for the rest of your careers. You have EVERY RIGHT to be angry; it's been a horrible integration (or lack thereof), and it looks to continue unabated for a long time to come.

That said, we've given notice to everyone that East/West threads will NOT be allowed to spread out to other non-East/West threads AND that improper use of the "Scab" terminology also would not be tolerated.

This is NOT negotiable. I've asked the other mods (and we agree for the most part) to deal with these issues uniformly across the board. 1st offense, gone 30 days. 2nd offense, permanently banned. It's gone on for nearly a YEAR without check; no longer. Stay within these rules and the board ToS and you can continue to post, flame, and bash each other to your heart's content. We are not trying to stifle free speech, simply keep it from interfering with the rest of the board which may not be interested in hearing about it in threads about THEIR airlines, adhere to the ToS, and limit legal liability.

As to the original reporter, yes, we may not get to your "reported post" within a few hours, or even the same day. We all have lives and other jobs. We don't get paid to moderate this site, we do so as a service to the other members to try to keep things clean and on-track. As such, if we're otherwise busy (jobs, vacations, training, whatever), it may be a little while before we get to a reported post.

Thank you in advance for your understanding.

/mod

 

[Cowboy75]

It seems USAPA supporters will do anything to stop any opinion contrary to their "Be a good union pilot" line. Rather than debating the issues, they would rather flame the boards in an attempt to get threads shut down. They are so afraid of dissent, USAPA does not even have a message board.

Control freaks.